View Poll Results: Should B&B owners be allowed to refuse gay couples?

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  • Yes, they should be allowed to refuse anyone for any reason

    65 59.63%
  • The should be allowed to refuse if it violates their religious beliefs

    3 2.75%
  • They should be fined for discriminating against gays

    16 14.68%
  • They should lose their B&B license for discriminating against gays

    19 17.43%
  • Other, please explain

    6 5.50%
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Well, fortunately, your views are not the law of the land.

    I am glad we no longer have stores with signs saying "No Irish" or businesses that refuse to serve blacks or Jews or whatever. And much of that would have never happened without laws.
    Wrong, Jim Crow and all that was created by guberment and such ilk because the free market was breaking down the cultural barriers. The response is of course "there otta be a law."
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Wrong, Jim Crow and all that was created by guberment and such ilk because the free market was breaking down the cultural barriers. The response is of course "there otta be a law."
    Can't believe I didn't think about that in the Jim Crowe angle, but yes that is absolutely true, some citizen's didn't want the market to change the exclusion of blacks from establishments and didn't want intermingling of race, so they had those laws put in place to force segregation. It's a perfect example of laws trouncing rights. However, and as I conceded, this is a story out of the U.K. so it really is their business.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    In most of the US, it is still legal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.
    WRONG.

    That is not the case.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    In most of the US, it is still legal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.
    What if the B&B could show that it refused to rent single-bed room to 2 hetero men, or that it has rented 2-bed rooms to men who appeared to be gay?

    I suppose next you're going to claim that a B&B which refuses to rent to an unmarried hetero couple is discriminating against heteros?

    Scripture bans a behavior, not an orientation.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What if the B&B could show that it refused to rent single-bed room to 2 hetero men, or that it has rented 2-bed rooms to men who appeared to be gay?
    What if? What would that mean? The owners definitely wanted to discriminate against a gay couple. They said so.

    Scripture bans a behavior, not an orientation.
    In this case it was definitely the orientation that got banned. The couple hadn't even checked in. It was nothing about their behaviour, it was the fact of their being gay.

    Such discrimination is against the law. Period. Are you advocating that they should have broken the law?
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Such discrimination is against the law. Period. Are you advocating that they should have broken the law?
    Some of us are advocating that the law be changed.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Some of us are advocating that the law be changed.
    For reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with business.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    WRONG.

    That is not the case.
    Really? Do you have a link? It was my understanding that gay rights laws have been passed only in a few states and cities.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What if the B&B could show that it refused to rent single-bed room to 2 hetero men, or that it has rented 2-bed rooms to men who appeared to be gay?

    I suppose next you're going to claim that a B&B which refuses to rent to an unmarried hetero couple is discriminating against heteros?

    Scripture bans a behavior, not an orientation.
    Who cares about scripture? Scripture has no place in our laws.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    What if? What would that mean? The owners definitely wanted to discriminate against a gay couple. They said so.



    In this case it was definitely the orientation that got banned. The couple hadn't even checked in. It was nothing about their behaviour, it was the fact of their being gay.

    Such discrimination is against the law. Period. Are you advocating that they should have broken the law?
    No I'm saying it shouldn't be against the law.

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