View Poll Results: Should B&B owners be allowed to refuse gay couples?

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  • Yes, they should be allowed to refuse anyone for any reason

    65 59.63%
  • The should be allowed to refuse if it violates their religious beliefs

    3 2.75%
  • They should be fined for discriminating against gays

    16 14.68%
  • They should lose their B&B license for discriminating against gays

    19 17.43%
  • Other, please explain

    6 5.50%
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Back to the thread question:

    Of course he should be allowed to deny gays - it's his property. Do we live in a free country or not?

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    True, but it isn't just the progressives who are against this kind of behavior. Many Libertarians, moderate conservatives, and centrists communities do not want to see this decriminalization.
    The difference between those groups is the amount of government interference applied towards the solution. But just about every ideology in the U.S. is less inclined to tolerate bigotry than even 3 decades ago.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The difference between those groups is the amount of government interference applied towards the solution. But just about every ideology in the U.S. is less inclined to tolerate bigotry than even 3 decades ago.
    I mean ideological groups btw, reading back I may have been ambiquous.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Care to expand on why you think so?
    I think businesses which are run out of the home should be given more room to practice religious tenants due to their literal and figurative proximity to the private residence. IMO I think a customer should have to respect the rules of a home more so than if they were at a regular hotel. They are entering someone's home for the service, and I think that warrants more respect to the homeowner's preferences.

    If a Muslim B&B wants to require all female customers to wear the Hajib and everyone has to pray 5 times a day, then they should be free to do so.

    IMO it doesn't matter what the silly little thing required or forbidden is, the uniqu nature of a B&B should be free to practice the tenants of it's faith. I would no sooner fault a private baby sitter for leading the children in prayer before lunch.

    IMO this is no different than a businesses right to refuse to allow firearms on their property, a rule I personally find retarded based on all available evidence of the dangers (or lack there-of).

    I say let free market forces decide the limits. If people don't like your rules, you won't make money.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hayekian View Post
    Back to the thread question:

    Of course he should be allowed to deny gays - it's his property. Do we live in a free country or not?
    No, we don't. See Kelo v. New London (04-108) 545 U.S. 469 (2005)
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    I put "OTHER", if the gay couple offends other patrons and has the potential to hurt the owners business he should have the right to deny service.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    What on earth is that comparison suppose to mean?

    You've failed to understand the difference between discrimination and preferential treatment.

    If a firefighter or elderly were NOT allowed to eat at an establishment because they were a firefighter or were elderly then it would be discrimination and people would be pissed.

    There's nothing wrong with a business giving a perk or benefit to attract customers or show their appreciation, etc. . . it's widely accepted and breaks no laws.
    OKAY, good Point! What if we had a restaurant that did preferential treatment to Whites? Say 15% off? So is that a good example of "preferential" treatment? Or would you some how see this as discrimination?
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Entirely. Show me where I said any of these things:





    Or were you quoting somebody else and projecting those quotes on to me? Thus making it a strawman?



    Translation: LMR has nothing to else to provide to the thread so he complains about people being stupid in true Libertarian fashion.

    I laid out my argument. If somebody runs a business and this business is taxed by the government, the government endorses the policies of the business by legitimization through taxation. It is the reason illegal drugs are not taxed while legally sold drugs are.
    Um, People who engage in Illegal activities are sometimes charged for tax evasion when the income from said activities are not paid.

    Also, I know that Oklahoma had a Stamp Tax for Marijuana about 20 years or so ago (for the purposes of having another indite-able offence) so your claim about government taxation equals government approval is somewhat weak.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    What about a nudist colony or some other specialized service? Should they have a right to cater to a specific clientele?

    Let's say these people handled this situation differently. Say they clearly outlined in their brochure that their B&B offers family oriented accommodations to married couples only, and will not accept homosexual or unmarried couples. Should they have a right create a B&B catering to those with traditional values?

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Sure there is. You have a right to be naked, just not anywhere you please. (there may not be an amendment saying "the right to be naked" but any law that would allow you to be arrested in your home for being so -- or in a nudist colony -- would be unconstitutional, right?

    I'll use a better example.

    You have a constitutional right to practice your religion. You do NOT have a right to do it anywhere you damn well please. You cannot come into my store and start singing a hymn or passing out Bibles or trying to convert my customers.

    I can set standards for my store so long as they are not discriminatory.
    DAMM!! And i was going to use an example of a Store that was a Clothing Optional (Nude Mandatory) and that would be discriminatory against Mormons (Magic Underwear) oh well.
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