View Poll Results: Should B&B owners be allowed to refuse gay couples?

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  • Yes, they should be allowed to refuse anyone for any reason

    65 59.63%
  • The should be allowed to refuse if it violates their religious beliefs

    3 2.75%
  • They should be fined for discriminating against gays

    16 14.68%
  • They should lose their B&B license for discriminating against gays

    19 17.43%
  • Other, please explain

    6 5.50%
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I'm not sure.
    I don't think they'd be within their rights to turn away a mixed race or minority couple, so I'm not sure they're within their rights here.
    I understand they own a private business, but it's also one which purports to be open to the general public, and then insults prospective patrons in a way that is no doubt hurtful and belittling.

    I would imagine a US court would find them within their rights to do so; I would also imagine their business will not prosper; a B&B can hardly risk offending the gay community, can it? I would think gays would account for a great deal of its business.

    On the other hand, it sounds like "Bed and Breakfast" means something totally different in the UK than it does here.
    If sexual orientation is protected by law against discrimination, then it's protected against discrimination. A B&B may be a private dwelling but it's also a business open to the public. It has to obey the law, which in the UK apparently is quite clear on the subject.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If sexual orientation is protected by law against discrimination, then it's protected against discrimination. A B&B may be a private dwelling but it's also a business open to the public. It has to obey the law, which in the UK apparently is quite clear on the subject.
    Okay. Well, good. I think they should obey it. I think discrimination is hurtful and unethical and wrong.
    Here in the US, privately-owned businesses have a history of getting away with it, though.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Okay. Well, good. I think they should obey it. I think discrimination is hurtful and unethical and wrong.
    Here in the US, privately-owned businesses have a history of getting away with it, though.
    In most of the US, it is still legal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I'm not sure.
    I don't think they'd be within their rights to turn away a mixed race or minority couple, so I'm not sure they're within their rights here.
    I understand they own a private business, but it's also one which purports to be open to the general public, and then insults prospective patrons in a way that is no doubt hurtful and belittling.

    I would imagine a US court would find them within their rights to do so; I would also imagine their business will not prosper; a B&B can hardly risk offending the gay community, can it? I would think gays would account for a great deal of its business.

    On the other hand, it sounds like "Bed and Breakfast" means something totally different in the UK than it does here.
    From a business point of view, a B&B can certainly thrive by carving out a market niche. There are many who might feel discomfort and/or moral outrage by finding an obviously gay couple at the breakfast table in the morning.

    We like to stay at one place on the Oregon Coast where most of the places allow dogs, and they are free to go along the beach unleashed. It has a definite market niche, but I'll bet the leash Nazi crowd loathes it.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    From a business point of view, a B&B can certainly thrive by carving out a market niche. There are many who might feel discomfort and/or moral outrage by finding an obviously gay couple at the breakfast table in the morning.

    We like to stay at one place on the Oregon Coast where most of the places allow dogs, and they are free to go along the beach unleashed. It has a definite market niche, but I'll bet the leash Nazi crowd loathes it.
    Careful! You appear to be coming unwittingly close to drawing comparisons between LGBT people and dogs. I'm sure that's not your intention.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    If the business owner wants to put his political views and bigotry ahead of his profits, that's fine with me - but he shouldn't be surprised when he starts losing customers and getting a bad reputation in the community.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Well, English law is different from U.S. law in this regard.

    In general, I lean towards the rights of business owners to refuse service to anyone.

    However, put it in a different context. Should a business be able to turn away blacks simply because they're black?
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
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    Care to expand on why you think so?

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    If the business owner wants to put his political views and bigotry ahead of his profits, that's fine with me - but he shouldn't be surprised when he starts losing customers and getting a bad reputation in the community.
    Assuming a Progressive community.

    Assuming a Conservative community such refusal would increase reputation.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Assuming a Progressive community.

    Assuming a Conservative community such refusal would increase reputation.
    True, but it isn't just the progressives who are against this kind of behavior. Many Libertarians, moderate conservatives, and centrists communities do not want to see this decriminalization.
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