View Poll Results: Should B&B owners be allowed to refuse gay couples?

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  • Yes, they should be allowed to refuse anyone for any reason

    65 59.63%
  • The should be allowed to refuse if it violates their religious beliefs

    3 2.75%
  • They should be fined for discriminating against gays

    16 14.68%
  • They should lose their B&B license for discriminating against gays

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The second you see me strap on the spelling or grammar Nazi armband...you have my permission (no...my request) to shoot me.

    There is a world of difference between letting go of something because it isnt useful and forcing them to disband because people dont like it. Saying let it go is too easy. Since we are in the mode of forcing people to accept all, well...isnt it time we legislated ALL groups that exist primarily to serve any bias or interest groups into oblivion?
    Sure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sure?

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    Im waiting to join the movement. I expect we should at any time see every other thread here proclaiming loud and proud to shut down every minority support and special interest group in the country...no...the WORLD...

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think they have a right to refuse them service if they don't want homosexuals there for religious reasons. However, they shouldn't be allowed to discriminate in all cases. They shouldn't be allowed to deny blacks or whites or anyone else service based on race.
    The exact same relegious values means only married couples are allowed also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im waiting to join the movement. I expect we should at any time see every other thread here proclaiming loud and proud to shut down every minority support and special interest group in the country...no...the WORLD...
    Wait, you wanna make it so I can't take my women's only Muay Thai class now? Or workout at Curves?

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Wait, you wanna make it so I can't take my women's only Muay Thai class now? Or workout at Curves?
    I think someone earlier had said that it is a right to not be discriminated against. In such case...yeah, those would have to go.

    Or we can honor private property rights.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    So you are ok with restaurants refusing to serve black people, right?

    Afterall...their business...their rules.
    Of course, you should be able to reserve the right to serve anyone....
    With respect to the original topic:
    If their religious belief bans them from allowing the abomination of homosexuality under their roof, (Leviticus 18:22) they are well within their rights to refuse service........

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Of course. The question is about when.... How many people are we going to allow to be discriminated until the firm fails? How much hate and counter prejudiced are we going to allow to transpire until the firm fails?
    That would be up to the public and their patronage, or lack thereof.


    What you fail to understand is that not everyone is you, and you are not everyone. Hate fuels hate, otherwise all of this "give peace a chance" jargon would have worked by now. When the terrorists crashed into the towers (because of hate), the majority of Americans were equally up in arms in hate as a natural reaction. Newton was spot on (not only within the realm of physics). For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
    No, not everyone is me. I never claimed they were. What I did claim is that if anyone allows what someone else does to turn them into a hateful person, then it's their own fault.

    Therefore it had nothing to do about operating a business and all to do with ignorance.
    YES. And people are quite allowed to be ignorant. And they SHOULD be allowed to be.

    If you do not like someone, give them ****ty service if you feel that strongly. To openly disrespect a person based on the feeling of moral superiority opens the door to hate and enemies. Repeating myself: there is no place for such behavior in society, especially business. The spillover effects will far outweigh fining a bad business owner for making discrimination part of his business practice.

    Again.... Hate fuels hate, and the cost of spillover effects associated with such emotion far outweigh the benefits of allowing such practices to remain optional.
    What spillover? Are you trying to imply that if people are denied service somewhere, they could turn violent and hurt other people? And somehow this would be the fault of the business owner who denied them service?

    Until someone gets hurt, killed and/or property gets destroyed. Then what? Is it then time for state involvement?
    Yeah, because THEN laws would be broken and actual damage would be done. Someone getting killed, hurt, or property damaged wouldn't be the fault of the discriminating business owner unless he was the one doing the hurting, killing and damaging.

    This has absolutely nothing to do with business and everything to do with discrimination.
    Of course. It's about personal rights, personal property rights, and the rights of business owners regarding their personal property rights.

    Until you can prove that by serving this gay couple, the firm in question would have reduced profitability; you are dead wrong. Again.... If they were talking about sucking cock and ass ****ing in the presence of others, it would be an entirely different scenario.
    Has nothing to do with reducing profitability.
    Last edited by rivrrat; 03-25-10 at 12:02 PM.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Wait, you wanna make it so I can't take my women's only Muay Thai class now? Or workout at Curves?
    hey...'I' dont want that...but since thats the intent of the movement...then...

    how about a compromise...you can still do your womens only workouts and they can have a beer, chip and dip dispenser with recliners so guys can join and watch...

    (edit-how silly of me...so lesbian women can join and watch too...dont want to discriminate...)
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    hey...'I' dont want that...but since thats the intent of the movement...then...

    how about a compromise...you can still do your womens only workouts and they can have a beer, chip and dip dispenser with recliners so guys can join and watch...

    (edit-how silly of me...so lesbian women can join and watch too...dont want to discriminate...)
    I'm down. I mean, I'm sure a lot of people in this thread would agree because they wouldn't want to discriminate against us just because we are men.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, not everyone is me. I never claimed they were. What I did claim is that if anyone allows what someone else does to turn them into a hateful person, then it's their own fault.
    I never said it was not. But to act as though it does not exist until **** hits the fan is irresponsible. Once the hate mail and death threats begin, should government get involved? It seems optimal to me (IMHO) to diffuse such situations.

    YES. And people are quite allowed to be ignorant. And they SHOULD be allowed to be.
    This is not a case of casual ignorance.

    What spillover? Are you trying to imply that if people are denied service somewhere, they could turn violent and hurt other people? And somehow this would be the fault of the business owner who denied them service?
    Not just the people who were discriminated against, but the extreme folks who are actively engaged in such behavior. It is just not worth it.

    Yeah, because THEN laws would be broken and actual damage would be done. Someone getting killed, hurt, or property damaged wouldn't be the fault of the discriminating business owner unless he was the one doing the hurting, killing and damaging.
    But why not take the necessary steps to prevent such ridiculous spillover effects? Do you know how the government diffused the violence, bloodshed, and massive political protests of the civil rights era?

    Of course. It's about personal rights, personal property rights, and the rights of business owners regarding their personal property rights.
    They violated contract in which the gay couple had been booked and given a deposit. Not only did they violate their agreement, but they broke the law :
    he Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations are secondary legislation in the United Kingdom, outlawing discrimination in the provision of goods, facilities, services, education and public functions on the grounds of sexual orientation.
    Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Has nothing to do with reducing profitability.
    Then this has absolutely nothing to do with "the rights of a business" hence is a violation of British law. So until you can prove that by accommodating them, the firm would have reduced their profitability..... your opinion on the matter is meaningless.

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    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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