View Poll Results: Should B&B owners be allowed to refuse gay couples?

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  • Yes, they should be allowed to refuse anyone for any reason

    65 59.63%
  • The should be allowed to refuse if it violates their religious beliefs

    3 2.75%
  • They should be fined for discriminating against gays

    16 14.68%
  • They should lose their B&B license for discriminating against gays

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Outstanding point! I would say I don't want any couple straight, gay, etc. mugging down in communal areas because I don't want to see it........and I'm a pretty easy going guy when it comes to things, so I can only imagine what my more uptight customers would be going through.
    This is slightly off-topic. There was no suggestion that the middle-aged gay couple were "mugging down" (whatever that might be). They just turned up and were refused the service that they has booked in good faith.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    This is slightly off-topic. There was no suggestion that the middle-aged gay couple were "mugging down" (whatever that might be). They just turned up and were refused the service that they has booked in good faith.
    The point though was that certain behaviors may not be conducive to keeping other customers happy, so a decision to bar those things may further influence business policy.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    1. NAACP does not run a business. Thus why it is 'tax-exempt'.
    2. NAACP does not require you to be black to be a member
    3. NAACP does not provide loans or grant programs based on race.

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    But I think the NAACP today is a joke so lets disband it just because it is a failure as a NGO.

    Here is the form if you want to join:

    http://www.naacp.org/get-involved/membership/member.pdf
    Oh no...no...lets not 'let it disband'...thats chicken ****. Lets FORCE it to disband...because really...in this day and age ANY form of discrim ination is just plain WRONG. No college funds, no affirmative action, no black chamber of commerce (how racist can you get), no special recognitions or awards ceremonies...none of that...just LEVEL the playing field...NO bias...

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Try telling your boss to fire all the women in your workplace and see how fast the state steps in. The state, at least in the U.S., has acknowledged that it is complicit when it turns a blind eye to blatant discrimination.
    Okay, that has absolutely nothing to do with your statement that it's the state's responsibility. How is it logically the state's responsibility when they take money and don't fund the business? I'm looking for logic and something justifyable, not emotion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh no...no...lets not 'let it disband'...thats chicken ****. Lets FORCE it to disband.
    ..because really...in this day and age ANY form of discrim ination is just plain WRONG. No college funds, no affirmative action, no black chamber of commerce (how racist can you get), no special recognitions or awards ceremonies...none of that...just LEVEL the playing field...NO bias...
    lets disband it just because it is a failure as a NGO
    What part of this didn't you get? Ah crap forgot the apostrophe.

    let's disband it just because it is a failure as a NGO
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Okay, that has absolutely nothing to do with your statement that it's the state's responsibility. How is it logically the state's responsibility when they take money and don't fund the business? I'm looking for logic and something justifyable, not emotion.
    The state benefitingthrough taxes from a business which actively discriminates, does not mean the state endorses the discrimination? Are you serious?
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Indeed. People who make bad business decisions generally don't stay in business. What's that got to do with the legality of it, though?
    Of course. The question is about when.... How many people are we going to allow to be discriminated until the firm fails? How much hate and counter prejudiced are we going to allow to transpire until the firm fails?

    No, hate only fuels hate when both sides are hating. I've been discriminated against. It hasn't made me "hate". If a person becomes hateful due to the actions of another hateful person, that's really their own fault.
    What you fail to understand is that not everyone is you, and you are not everyone. Hate fuels hate, otherwise all of this "give peace a chance" jargon would have worked by now. When the terrorists crashed into the towers (because of hate), the majority of Americans were equally up in arms in hate as a natural reaction. Newton was spot on (not only within the realm of physics). For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

    No, their money was NOT good enough apparently.
    Therefore it had nothing to do about operating a business and all to do with ignorance. If you do not like someone, give them ****ty service if you feel that strongly. To openly disrespect a person based on the feeling of moral superiority opens the door to hate and enemies. Repeating myself: there is no place for such behavior in society, especially business. The spillover effects will far outweigh fining a bad business owner for making discrimination part of his business practice.

    I never stated anything at all about how logical the actions of the *business owners* were. I was referencing the actions of the state by way of the legality of it.
    Again.... Hate fuels hate, and the cost of spillover effects associated with such emotion far outweigh the benefits of allowing such practices to remain optional.

    The business owners are hateful ****tards and I hope their business fails miserably. But it still should be, IMO, their right as business people to serve and refuse to serve whomever they wish for whatever reason they wish.
    Until someone gets hurt, killed and/or property gets destroyed. Then what? Is it then time for state involvement? This has absolutely nothing to do with business and everything to do with discrimination.

    Until you can prove that by serving this gay couple, the firm in question would have reduced profitability; you are dead wrong. Again.... If they were talking about sucking cock and ass ****ing in the presence of others, it would be an entirely different scenario.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What part of this didn't you get? Ah crap forgot the apostrophe.



    Happy now?
    The second you see me strap on the spelling or grammar Nazi armband...you have my permission (no...my request) to shoot me.

    There is a world of difference between letting go of something because it isnt useful and forcing them to disband because people dont like it. Saying let it go is too easy. Since we are in the mode of forcing people to accept all, well...isnt it time we legislated ALL groups that exist primarily to serve any bias or interest groups into oblivion?

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    This is slightly off-topic. There was no suggestion that the middle-aged gay couple were "mugging down" (whatever that might be). They just turned up and were refused the service that they has booked in good faith.
    I agree. My point was that there are reasons to discriminate if the service of someone will effect your bottom line. Clubs do this all the time. Too many guys in the club, they will only let girls in or guys who come with girls. Why? Because barring it being a male gay club, guys do not show off to other guys by purchasing them overpriced and expensive drinks.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The state benefiting from a business which actively discriminates, through taxes, does not mean the state endorses the discrimination? Are you serious?
    Are you? The state doesn't "benefit" from the business, it taxes it. So again, the state is not a partner in any real world way yet it legislates at whim to encroach on business decisions constantly. You are intentionally not addressing the argument of the state's compelling interest in forcing commerce, you are arguing for state compulsion and THEN assigning the state a role in the business.

    To condense things; The state has no image investment in the business, the business does, the state takes no loss, the business does, the state takes no risk, the business does. But at the end of your theory the state has no interest in the business except taxation, yet somehow magically the businesses decisions reflect on the state? Again, how do you come to that conclusion when it is patently obvious that the state is a hinderance at best and a nuisance at worst? It has been explained already that bigotry isn't tolerable, and that as a society we would shut the business down using market factors, AND that bigotry is a provable failure in business.......yet you still defer to government authority, you should then have some proof of compelling interest past "it's the right thing to do", or "because we can't accept........." the onus is on you to prove why private property rights(and these do include private business) are trumped by government authority.
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