View Poll Results: Should B&B owners be allowed to refuse gay couples?

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  • Yes, they should be allowed to refuse anyone for any reason

    65 59.63%
  • The should be allowed to refuse if it violates their religious beliefs

    3 2.75%
  • They should be fined for discriminating against gays

    16 14.68%
  • They should lose their B&B license for discriminating against gays

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    What on earth is that comparison suppose to mean?

    You've failed to understand the difference between discrimination and preferential treatment.

    If a firefighter or elderly were NOT allowed to eat at an establishment because they were a firefighter or were elderly then it would be discrimination and people would be pissed.

    There's nothing wrong with a business giving a perk or benefit to attract customers or show their appreciation, etc. . . it's widely accepted and breaks no laws.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    It should be noted that there is a gray area. For example, if a gay couple is displaying public affection in the main lobby areas (making out, grabbing), the owner/manager has every right to say, "cut that **** out, you could offend someone and it will negatively effect my business/sales".

    Whether this is the case or not, people should take a less aggressive approach in expressing their sexuality. If a straight male came into my establishment with a shirt reading, "i love eating shaved pussy" i'd tell him to either change or GTFO....
    Outstanding point! I would say I don't want any couple straight, gay, etc. mugging down in communal areas because I don't want to see it........and I'm a pretty easy going guy when it comes to things, so I can only imagine what my more uptight customers would be going through.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I know you have an obsession for negative freedom. However, in these situations, the risk for full scale bigoted abuse is far too great.

    What's next? Claiming its perfectly acceptable to label black and white drinking fountains in private establishments? How about gay drinking fountains?
    I'm not obsessed about anything.

    First, there is no risk of full scale bigoted abuse. Not even a small risk, much less a "too great" one. You seriously going to sit there and tell me that there's a "great risk" of every business owner in this country, in THIS day and age, (or even a majority of them) openly discriminating against a group of people? I laugh at the mere suggestion of such a thing. We all know the days of wide scale bigotry are far behind us.

    But yes, a business owner should have full legal say in who they serve and who they do not serve. Why should they be forced to SERVE someone they don't want to?

    And yeah, if a *private* business owner wants to have white and black and latino water fountains, they should be allowed to. Where is the logical, unemotional reason to disallow it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Says you. The UK and the EU have made a clear moral decision that discrimination on certain ground is illegal. In making that decision everybody has the right to contribute to the debate using their vote, their lobbying ability, the force of their rhetoric in a free(ish) media and through their membership or participation in pressure groups.

    I explained earlier how you can make a personal protest against laws with which you disagree and the consequences of such protest. The UK has a General Election in about 6 weeks' time. If you feel strongly about this issue then make your feelings known to your candidates and find out whether they support you.
    Sure, they've said it's illegal. And I think it should be legal. There's absolutely no reason for it NOT to be legal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I'm surprised at the number of people who feel that 'it's their business, their rules"

    It's not a religious-business such as a church. In a church I feel that, yes, their religion their rules - but not a business open to the public.

    If you open a business then you welcome everyone, barring your personal feelings about their lifestyle. The only thing permitted to be discriminated against are those who want to enter an establishment while presenting a danger or hazard - thus the no shoes, no shirt, no service signs . . . and so on. You cannot discriminate according to age, race, sexual orientation and all that jazz. . . because all those things are either A) someone's personal life and no one else's business or B) their unaltered state of being - like race or gender.

    Religion and moral things aren't up to the owner's discrimination.

    If someone has religious issues then they shouldn't be opening and operating a business in which they'll be privy to such things. . .
    Why should you have to welcome everyone? Why should a business owner be forced, against their will, to serve someone they find reprehensible? Isn't that in the same boat as slavery? Forcing someone to serve someone they don't want to? It is THEIR business, THEIR property, they should have full control over who they allow or disallow on their own property. For ANY reason.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think they have a right to refuse them service if they don't want homosexuals there for religious reasons. However, they shouldn't be allowed to discriminate in all cases. They shouldn't be allowed to deny blacks or whites or anyone else service based on race.
    Really? Why not?
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I know you have an obsession for negative freedom. However, in these situations, the risk for full scale bigoted abuse is far too great.

    What's next? Claiming its perfectly acceptable to label black and white drinking fountains in private establishments? How about gay drinking fountains?
    Obsessing? How about every other thread gaying for the homosexuality of the gayness? Or the gay homosexual rights of gay for they gay and gay? Or every thread being twisted to gay gay for the gayness of momosxuality and gay??? Gay...for homosexuality...gay about obsession...sheesh. Gay!

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I'm not obsessed about anything.

    First, there is no risk of full scale bigoted abuse. Not even a small risk, much less a "too great" one. You seriously going to sit there and tell me that there's a "great risk" of every business owner in this country, in THIS day and age, (or even a majority of them) openly discriminating against a group of people? I laugh at the mere suggestion of such a thing. We all know the days of wide scale bigotry are far behind us.

    But yes, a business owner should have full legal say in who they serve and who they do not serve. Why should they be forced to SERVE someone they don't want to?

    And yeah, if a *private* business owner wants to have white and black and latino water fountains, they should be allowed to. Where is the logical, unemotional reason to disallow it?



    Sure, they've said it's illegal. And I think it should be legal. There's absolutely no reason for it NOT to be legal.


    Why should you have to welcome everyone? Why should a business owner be forced, against their will, to serve someone they find reprehensible? Isn't that in the same boat as slavery? Forcing someone to serve someone they don't want to? It is THEIR business, THEIR property, they should have full control over who they allow or disallow on their own property. For ANY reason.
    Gays cant marry, gays can't adopt children, gays can't visit their significant other in restaurants, gays can't stay at B&Bs, they can't have sex in some states. No. The risk of full scale discrimination is negligible..... -

    It is funny that you are the same person who complained for 14 pages about women not being allowed to serve on submarines because of some invented employment right you made up.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Really? Why not?
    Indeed! because there is absolutely no difference...gay is black is gay...is black. ummm...and gay.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Gays cant marry, gays can't adopt children, gays can't visit their significant other in restaurants, gays can't stay at B&Bs, they can't have sex in some states. No. The risk of full scale discrimination is negligible.....
    Seiously? You mean...throughout history...people in ALL CULTURES and ALL RACES have taken the stance that homosexuality may be against the societal norms?

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Indeed! because there is absolutely no difference...gay is black is gay...is black. ummm...and gay.
    Can you tell us the genetic argument for skin color?
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Gays cant marry, gays can't adopt children, gays can't visit their significant other in restaurants, gays can't stay at B&Bs, they can't have sex in some states. No. The risk of full scale discrimination is negligible.....
    Hold up. You are getting ahead of the argument and assuming too much here. The state is not the same as private.........yet, but don't worry, the nanny staters are trying their damndest to get it there. There is a HUGE difference between a bad business owner allowing bigotry to control their business decisions and a state denying something between two consenting adults. For instance, marriage should only be between the church and couple, business should be between consumer and provider, and bedroom activities between consenting adults is only the business of two consenting adults.
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