View Poll Results: Should B&B owners be allowed to refuse gay couples?

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  • Yes, they should be allowed to refuse anyone for any reason

    65 59.63%
  • The should be allowed to refuse if it violates their religious beliefs

    3 2.75%
  • They should be fined for discriminating against gays

    16 14.68%
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Anyone, for any reason.
    I know you have an obsession for negative freedom. However, in these situations, the risk for full scale bigoted abuse is far too great.

    What's next? Claiming its perfectly acceptable to label black and white drinking fountains in private establishments? How about gay drinking fountains?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    But it shouldn't be.
    Says you. The UK and the EU have made a clear moral decision that discrimination on certain ground is illegal. In making that decision everybody has the right to contribute to the debate using their vote, their lobbying ability, the force of their rhetoric in a free(ish) media and through their membership or participation in pressure groups.

    I explained earlier how you can make a personal protest against laws with which you disagree and the consequences of such protest. The UK has a General Election in about 6 weeks' time. If you feel strongly about this issue then make your feelings known to your candidates and find out whether they support you.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Exactly. What if this were a Black or interracial couple who were refused on those grounds?
    YAY!!!! YET ANOTHER thread on homosexuality. Cuz there is not enough...

    Because being black is the exact same thing as being gay!!!

    For some people it is not a question of racial discrimination, it is a question of moral discrimination. That being the case should they be forced to accept ANYONE regardless of their positions on any and everything? Should organizers of gay only couples getaway events be forced to accept cross waving Christians without reservation and also be forced to protect their rights to speech at their events without molestation or harrassment? Should organizers of nudist activities be forced to accept fully clothed college frat boiys with a keg so they can sit back and enjoy the event their own way?

    At what point do people finally get the message that life isnt fair...and you simply DO NOT HAVE a God given, nautural human right, or constitutional right to NOT be offended? If you do not LIKE these peoples positions on accepting homosexuals, then express your displeasure in the most powerful way available...do NOT frequent their establishment.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    I'm surprised at the number of people who feel that 'it's their business, their rules"

    It's not a religious-business such as a church. In a church I feel that, yes, their religion their rules - but not a business open to the public.

    If you open a business then you welcome everyone, barring your personal feelings about their lifestyle. The only thing permitted to be discriminated against are those who want to enter an establishment while presenting a danger or hazard - thus the no shoes, no shirt, no service signs . . . and so on. You cannot discriminate according to age, race, sexual orientation and all that jazz. . . because all those things are either A) someone's personal life and no one else's business or B) their unaltered state of being - like race or gender.

    Religion and moral things aren't up to the owner's discrimination.

    If someone has religious issues then they shouldn't be opening and operating a business in which they'll be privy to such things. . .
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    For some people it is not a question of racial discrimination, it is a question of moral discrimination.
    No, it's a question of discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation. That is specifically outlawed in UK legislation. It's not the same as racial discrimination but it has the same status in law.

    That being the case should they be forced to accept ANYONE regardless of their positions on any and everything? Should organizers of gay only couples getaway events be forced to accept cross waving Christians without reservation and also be forced to protect their rights to speech at their events without molestation or harrassment?
    Show us the proof of comparable discrimination against heterosexuals and see our response.

    At what point do people finally get the message that life isnt fair...
    It may not be, but there's a big difference in recognising that and saying "that's a good thing" and saying "that's a bad thing, let's do something about it".
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I'm surprised at the number of people who feel that 'it's their business, their rules"

    It's not a religious-business such as a church. In a church I feel that, yes, their religion their rules - but not a business open to the public.

    If you open a business then you welcome everyone, barring your personal feelings about their lifestyle. The only thing permitted to be discriminated against are those who want to enter an establishment while presenting a danger or hazard - thus the no shoes, no shirt, no service signs . . . and so on. You cannot discriminate according to age, race, sexual orientation and all that jazz. . . because all those things are either A) someone's personal life and no one else's business or B) their unaltered state of being - like race or gender.

    Religion and moral things aren't up to the owner's discrimination.

    If someone has religious issues then they shouldn't be opening and operating a business in which they'll be privy to such things. . .
    And we should sue for age discrimination all those business that pull that seniors eat cheaper bull****. Thats discrimination. i dont eat anything near what all those fat disgusting people in society eat...why should a business be allowed to give preferential treatment? Or those business that give discounts to police and firemen...we should lock those people up. How dare they discriminate against Joe construction worker? Or schools that create clubs for academic elites...thats just terrible....


    We can go on and on and on...

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No, it's a question of discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation. That is specifically outlawed in UK legislation. It's not the same as racial discrimination but it has the same status in law.



    Show us the proof of comparable discrimination against heterosexuals and see our response.



    It may not be, but there's a big difference in recognising that and saying "that's a good thing" and saying "that's a bad thing, let's do something about it".
    In YOUR opinion...and OBVIOUSLY you DISAGREE...

    But I DO agree...I cant STAND bigoted, biased, intolerant assholes that cant respect the rights, opinions, and positions of others with respect. That kind of stuff just bothers me to no end...

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And we should sue for age discrimination all those business that pull that seniors eat cheaper bull****. Thats discrimination. i dont eat anything near what all those fat disgusting people in society eat...why should a business be allowed to give preferential treatment? Or those business that give discounts to police and firemen...we should lock those people up. How dare they discriminate against Joe construction worker? Or schools that create clubs for academic elites...thats just terrible....


    We can go on and on and on...
    What on earth is that comparison suppose to mean?

    You've failed to understand the difference between discrimination and preferential treatment.

    If a firefighter or elderly were NOT allowed to eat at an establishment because they were a firefighter or were elderly then it would be discrimination and people would be pissed.

    There's nothing wrong with a business giving a perk or benefit to attract customers or show their appreciation, etc. . . it's widely accepted and breaks no laws.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post


    If you open a business then you welcome everyone, barring your personal feelings about their lifestyle. The only thing permitted to be discriminated against are those who want to enter an establishment while presenting a danger or hazard - thus the no shoes, no shirt, no service signs . . . and so on. You cannot discriminate according to age, race, sexual orientation and all that jazz. . . because all those things are either A) someone's personal life and no one else's business or B) their unaltered state of being - like race or gender.
    Why though. The business owner pays the taxes, the overhead, maintenance, and salaries out of gross sales and gets no help from activist groups or governing bodies, so why then do those that do not have a stake in the business get a say in it? What justification can there possibly be. Again, bigotry is a stupid business decision as the public is a "partner" only in that you seek to do commerce with the public and need their dollars, bigots are not tolerated and your access to customer dollars will be compromised by the negative publicity, this is much more damaging than a law, fine, or civil suit.

    Religion and moral things aren't up to the owner's discrimination.
    Again, outside of emotion and theory, what's the realistic and logical justification?

    If someone has religious issues then they shouldn't be opening and operating a business in which they'll be privy to such things. . .
    I agree, but from a differing perspective.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Why though. The business owner pays the taxes, the overhead, maintenance, and salaries out of gross sales and gets no help from activist groups or governing bodies, so why then do those that do not have a stake in the business get a say in it? What justification can there possibly be. Again, bigotry is a stupid business decision as the public is a "partner" only in that you seek to do commerce with the public and need their dollars, bigots are not tolerated and your access to customer dollars will be compromised by the negative publicity, this is much more damaging than a law, fine, or civil suit.

    Again, outside of emotion and theory, what's the realistic and logical justification?

    I agree, but from a differing perspective.
    It should be noted that there is a gray area. For example, if a gay couple is displaying public affection in the main lobby areas (making out, grabbing), the owner/manager has every right to say, "cut that **** out, you could offend someone and it will negatively effect my business/sales".

    Whether this is the case or not, people should take a less aggressive approach in expressing their sexuality. If a straight male came into my establishment with a shirt reading, "i love eating shaved pussy" i'd tell him to either change or GTFO....
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