View Poll Results: Should B&B owners be allowed to refuse gay couples?

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  • Yes, they should be allowed to refuse anyone for any reason

    65 59.63%
  • The should be allowed to refuse if it violates their religious beliefs

    3 2.75%
  • They should be fined for discriminating against gays

    16 14.68%
  • They should lose their B&B license for discriminating against gays

    19 17.43%
  • Other, please explain

    6 5.50%
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Legally, it is not within their rights as a business owner to discriminate on the basis of race, ethnicity, or gender.
    In the EU you can add sexual orietation to that list, as a loyal European, I'm proud of that commitment to non-discrimination, even if it isn't very well policed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    In the EU you can add sexual orietation to that list, as a loyal European, I'm proud of that commitment to non-discrimination, even if it isn't very well policed.
    Here's my thing, and I can see the validity of laws as applicable to a business license, even though I disagree with compelled commerce. I don't want to do business with bigots, period, bigots don't want to do business because of x, why not let everyone just be adults and decide for themselves what commerce they want to engage in? Minus necessities of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Here's my thing, and I can see the validity of laws as applicable to a business license, even though I disagree with compelled commerce. I don't want to do business with bigots, period, bigots don't want to do business because of x, why not let everyone just be adults and decide for themselves what commerce they want to engage in? Minus necessities of course
    Well, the guys refused room had reserved their room, probably by internet (in the UK over 90% of hotel/room reservations are now done online) and were not informed of this BnBs illegal attitude until they arrived. That suggests that the owners are not open about their attitude. So, to add to their illegal discriminatroy attitude, you can add misrepresentation.

    It used to be legal for people to discriminate on all kinds of grounds. When I was a kid it was common to see notices in the doorways of pubs saying, "No Blacks, Irish, Gypsies or Dogs". Perhaps the owners could post a "No Homos" notice on their website and see where that led them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, the guys refused room had reserved their room, probably by internet (in the UK over 90% of hotel/room reservations are now done online) and were not informed of this BnBs illegal attitude until they arrived. That suggests that the owners are not open about their attitude. So, to add to their illegal discriminatroy attitude, you can add misrepresentation.
    I figured from earlier posts here they were denied on site after reserving but wasn't sure, that is what the focus should be on IMO. That is most certainly misrepresentation and that would be acceptable as a fine or charge in any circumstance. Of course I found out after posting it was the UK so I don't have a dog in this fight, but wanted to speak theorhetically about commerce and rights theory. So my opinion here really should be taken with a grain of salt.

    It used to be legal for people to discriminate on all kinds of grounds. When I was a kid it was common to see notices in the doorways of pubs saying, "No Blacks, Irish, Gypsies or Dogs". Perhaps the owners could post a "No Homos" notice on their website and see where that led them.
    Again, I think society has progressed to the point that if bigots want to go on record as being discriminatory and enforce those policies they should have every right in the world to screw their bottom lines up. But then again I am more market oriented.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I figured from earlier posts here they were denied on site after reserving but wasn't sure, that is what the focus should be on IMO. That is most certainly misrepresentation and that would be acceptable as a fine or charge in any circumstance. Of course I found out after posting it was the UK so I don't have a dog in this fight, but wanted to speak theorhetically about commerce and rights theory. So my opinion here really should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Again, I think society has progressed to the point that if bigots want to go on record as being discriminatory and enforce those policies they should have every right in the world to screw their bottom lines up. But then again I am more market oriented.
    Fair enough. As far as I can see, you CAN discriminate as much as you like and let the market dictate the success of your policy PROVIDED you stick to the law. Whether one believes that anti-discrimination legislation is a good thing or a bad thing is a different debate. We don't get to cherry-pick the laws we obey. We can protest them, it's called civil disobedience, if we don't like them but we must accept the consequences of that disobedience.

    I hope the owners were cognisant of the legal ramifications of their actions before they decided to make their stand. I have no doubt they will be bleating to the Daily Mail when they get hit with a fine and revocation of their BnB status.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Fair enough. As far as I can see, you CAN discriminate as much as you like and let the market dictate the success of your policy PROVIDED you stick to the law. Whether one believes that anti-discrimination legislation is a good thing or a bad thing is a different debate. We don't get to cherry-pick the laws we obey. We can protest them, it's called civil disobedience, if we don't like them but we must accept the consequences of that disobedience.

    I hope the owners were cognisant of the legal ramifications of their actions before they decided to make their stand. I have no doubt they will be bleating to the Daily Mail when they get hit with a fine and revocation of their BnB status.
    I agree with that.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    What if blacks, mexicans, jews, or women staying at my establishment was against my religious beliefs?
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I know what the law is. The question was not about the law. It was about what we thought it should be. And it's not straight up discrimination. It's discrimination against a "protected class". Not all discrimination is illegal.
    This kind is.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    This kind is.
    But it shouldn't be.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    What if blacks, mexicans, jews, or women staying at my establishment was against my religious beliefs?
    Anyone, for any reason.

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