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    Is the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional?

    Simple question, do you believe the Pledge (as it is written now) is unconstitutional?

    Personally, I don't think there's anything uncostitutional about having a Pledge and having it read and recited in, for example, public schools. However, I am of the firm belief that the Pledge has been unconstitutional since "Under God" was added. It's clearly the government advocating religion in general, and more specifically monotheistic religion.

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    Re: Is the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional?

    I think its unconstitutional to legally enforce it.

    EDIT: I'm not saying that this is happening, I'm just saying as long as its not some kind of legal issue, then I don't care. When I was in school, I did it because I was told to do it. Big deal, its like two minutes out of my day.
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    Re: Is the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional?

    I think it's allot of nothing.

    Mainly just militant atheists etc making noise. I mean lets face it, the pledge is not an endorsement of any particular religion.
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    Re: Is the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I think it's allot of nothing.

    Mainly just militant atheists etc making noise. I mean lets face it, the pledge is not an endorsement of any particular religion.
    But it is an endorsement of religion in general, right? Do you not think the first amendment protects non-believers?

    I'm not trying to bait you, I'm really just curious.

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    Re: Is the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional?

    I'm more bothered by the "Indivisible" than the "Under God".

    But I don't think it could be unconstitutional under any circumstances. Laws about it could be, depending on what they were, but not the actual pledge itself.

    And I dislike the pledge immensely. Just not for the same reasons as most of the people who don't like it.
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    Re: Is the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pal View Post
    But it is an endorsement of religion in general, right?
    It says we are a nation of religious people, and we are. Again it is just so much ado about nothing. About what? 7% at most is atheist (don't know why they include agnostics in that) so it is more a reflection of our national makeup than any kind of insult or endorsement of religion. We have "In God WE Trust" on our money, so what?

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    Do you not think the first amendment protects non-believers?
    How does the pledge saying under God, have anything to do with congress passing any laws hindering or supporting religion? It is just the pledge of allegiance, not a law.

    You should be more worried about loosing your right to be offended.

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    Re: Is the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional?

    I only think it is unconstitutional to be forced to recite it. I don't really care about pledging my allegiance to a flag.

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    Re: Is the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pal View Post
    But it is an endorsement of religion in general, right? Do you not think the first amendment protects non-believers?

    I'm not trying to bait you, I'm really just curious.
    I disagree.

    "God" does not suggest any specific religion. I believe in a God but I am not religious.

    And if you're atheist I'd think "God" would just be another word... get over it.

    Personally I don't care much for the pledge. My allegiance is more to the advance of the human race as a whole.

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    Re: Is the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It says we are a nation of religious people, and we are. Again it is just so much ado about nothing. About what? 7% at most is atheist (don't know why they include agnostics in that) so it is more a reflection of our national makeup than any kind of insult or endorsement of religion. We have "In God WE Trust" on our money, so what?
    That's like saying we're a nation of white people or male people. Just because a group happens to be in the majority doesn't give them extraordinary power.

    And the numbers are higher than 7%, the most up-to-date polls place it closer to 15% with more and more people rejecting religion all the time. Non-religion is the fastest growing "religion" in America.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional?

    Since Congress shall make no law respecting religion, its not really a big deal. "The Pledge" is merely an anthem, I guess, not a legal document.

    Just a few years ago, my state of Texas added the words. Yes, Texas has a pledge that students have to recite along with the national pledge, I mean hey, it's Texas.

    However, the concept of both pledges is obviously debatable. The concept that the entire nation or the entire state is under God cannot be proven nor can it be completely denied.


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