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    What do you think about the health care bill that just passed?

    Though I don't think this can be looked at as "real" reform, I do believe that they did the right thing in expanding coverage to 30 million more Americans and stopped insurance companies from denying those with pre-existing conditions. There's still a lot of work that needs to be done for us to have our current issues with the health care system solved once and for all. I still hope and believe we'll get there one day, But right now we are still far from that.

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    Re: What do you think about the health care bill that just passed?

    None of those fit with my feeling on it. I think it did too much now, instead of phasing in things. However, I thin we need to move further than what we got eventually.
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    Re: What do you think about the health care bill that just passed?

    The bill was much better with the public option as opposed to the requirement to purchase insurance or be fined. Had the bluedogs and the Republicans not fought to keep the public option out, the bill would have been more "liberal" and a better bill.
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    Re: What do you think about the health care bill that just passed?

    This about sums it up for me. The way it was done, i.e., the bill stopped dead when Scott Brown was elected, then the rampant bribes, payoffs, etc., the whole Slaughter Rule debacle that was threatened, then the actual vote. It's good parts are few - such as pre-existing conditions are added - uninsured are added, children are added. Nice, but doesn't address the impetus of the problem: Cost Control. We pay 948 billion and save 120 billion in 10 years. How's that math work? And we all know it's going to be 2x or maybe 3x that amount when it's all said and done. Premiums may go up, doctors may become fewer, medicare patients will be dropped...costs will continue to rise.

    The arguement then is: "Well, we'll fix it". When has Congress fixed anything successfully? They never have. So the hope that it will be fixed is a long shot. No, there's not much here that I can say I like - and the mandate is the chocolate syrup on a pile of turds. They FORCE you to buy insurance or fine you through the IRS, then jail you.

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    Re: What do you think about the health care bill that just passed?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The bill was much better with the public option as opposed to the requirement to purchase insurance or be fined. Had the bluedogs and the Republicans not fought to keep the public option out, the bill would have been more "liberal" and a better bill.
    I agree, Either the Robust Public Option or Medicare Buy in would have made this a very good bill because we would have a choice between public or private insurance. I thought at the time it was a very centrist position and should have gained more support by the public but I guess that just wasn't the case.

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    Re: What do you think about the health care bill that just passed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    None of those fit with my feeling on it. I think it did too much now, instead of phasing in things. However, I thin we need to move further than what we got eventually.
    not a lot happens NOW.....most of it is very incrementally phased in.

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    Re: What do you think about the health care bill that just passed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    This about sums it up for me. The way it was done, i.e., the bill stopped dead when Scott Brown was elected, then the rampant bribes, payoffs, etc., the whole Slaughter Rule debacle that was threatened, then the actual vote. It's good parts are few - such as pre-existing conditions are added - uninsured are added, children are added. Nice, but doesn't address the impetus of the problem: Cost Control. We pay 948 billion and save 120 billion in 10 years. How's that math work? And we all know it's going to be 2x or maybe 3x that amount when it's all said and done. Premiums may go up, doctors may become fewer, medicare patients will be dropped...costs will continue to rise.
    You're right on the money issue, I don't think this will lower the deficit as much as the CBO is predicting right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The arguement then is: "Well, we'll fix it". When has Congress fixed anything successfully? They never have. So the hope that it will be fixed is a long shot. No, there's not much here that I can say I like - and the mandate is the chocolate syrup on a pile of turds. They FORCE you to buy insurance or fine you through the IRS, then jail you.
    I didn't agree with the mandates either but that was put in there because without it there's no way this would work because if the insurance companies are going to be required to cover pre-existing conditions then that alone is going to drive costs up which will then push healthy folks away from signing up and then it won't be affordable for anyone. I think this provision was put in there to short curcuit that, But I still thought it was a bad idea.

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    Re: What do you think about the health care bill that just passed?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    not a lot happens NOW.....most of it is very incrementally phased in.
    Incremental is the best word to describe just about every so called real change President Obama has made so far.

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    Re: What do you think about the health care bill that just passed?

    Some of you act as if you believe the democrat talking points on this issue. Obama has lied consistently in his campaign and since being in office. He's a lawyer. He manipulates words to accomplish an end and for no other reason. The democrats enmasse voiced that Iraq without a doubt had weapons of mass destruction and then called GWB and the Republicans liars for saying it. This bill is designed to progress to single payer government run healthcare which is his/their goal.

    He can say that premiums won't increase but that's only because taxes and copays and related costs will. But, bottom line, he's taking $1/2TRILLION from those on medicare who have earned and paid for that coverage all their lives and giving it to people who either don't need coverage or don't deserve it due to lack of citizen status. This will directly effect retired military. That's a more perfect definition of what Obama means when he voices unwavering respect for the military.
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    Re: What do you think about the health care bill that just passed?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The bill was much better with the public option as opposed to the requirement to purchase insurance or be fined. Had the bluedogs and the Republicans not fought to keep the public option out, the bill would have been more "liberal" and a better bill.
    Big problem with that public option. It wasn't restricted to the poor, the old and the sick. It was viral and threatened the private sector. Y'all ****ed up doing that.

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