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    Re: What do you think about the health care bill that just passed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'll ask again, have you actually seen anything of the 1994 proposal or just seen one comparison chart linked off of a liberal blog site that has completely unnuanced language in comparing the two?
    You won't find it as the last Republican to have a serious healthcare reform proposal, rather than a broad set of "principles", was Richard Nixon. Many of the "principles" Bob Dole proposed are in the healthcare reform bill. Bob Dole did not get specific about any of it because it just an argument he was using at the time against the Clinton healthcare plan.

    If you just wanted to go for a technical thing, the very fact that the 1994 bill had tort reform in it would make it more conservative then the current one, which alone makes your one liner invalid.
    Being that the vast majority of malpractice cases are litigated in the state courts, exactly what would federal tort reform accomplish?
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    Re: What do you think about the health care bill that just passed?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The problem isn't subsidizing the poor, it's offering coverage to the average person. The stated objective was to create competition for the private market which means they will be offerring a lower rate backed by the purse of the government. Private insurance can't compete with that.

    Government should never offer a service to compete with the private sector; it will shift the price so the private sector cannot compete. Socialism.
    If this is true, why do we still have private universities like Oxford, Princeton and Harvard? They are competing against cheaper government run options, but they still continue to do business.

    The thing is, introducing competition really just forces the health insurance companies to have to counter the problem of adverse selection. If they want to be able to compete with the government option, they have to drop prices to a reasonable level. Considering the massive amount of profits health care companies have, they can afford to drop prices, and do what they are supposed to do: pay medical bills for people who have plans.
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    Re: What do you think about the health care bill that just passed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I don't think anyone can rationally imply that the Obama plan is "more liberal" than what Dole proposed.
    Bob Dole was a socialist too?
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    Re: What do you think about the health care bill that just passed?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I don't believe that either, but having a public option that competes with the private sector is not the way to go.
    If you don't believe in not addressing the poor and underinsured with a competitive pool or a public option what is your solution. Private insurance in inherently invested in making the most profit possible. That why rates are based are accuary tables which translates to the people who probably least need coverage can most afford to pay high dedutibles, high premiums, etc. It's not only the poor but the underemployed. There's a larger picture here and we're not seeing it

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    Re: What do you think about the health care bill that just passed?

    Government should never offer a service to compete with the private sector; it will shift the price so the private sector cannot compete.
    It seems that Fed-ex and UPS is doing all right even though we have government mail. This is nothing but a right wing talking point.

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