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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    So, let me get ths right.

    In the event that we establish the fact that "personhood" begins at conception,...

    In YOUR OPINION,...

    A woman has the right to kill a fully developed, cognitive, able to feel pain, aware, thinking human being (a perceived rapist) in an act of self defense,... even if all he wants is to have sex with her against her will....

    But that same woman should be forced to allow a child (FORCED on her by her attacker),... to use her body and other resources,... placing her life and certainly her health in harms way,... for NINE months,... even if the pregnancy is against her will?

    How is this not an example of what you just said above?
    Of course. The baby is innocent.

    You like to say you blame the rapist for killing the baby. But that's not an excuse. Blame the rapist for making the woman pregnant and required to have the baby. See how that works?

    I brought up the analogy of killing a child that a burglar puts in your room in "self-defense". You have yet to show why this isn't a perfect analogy for your argument.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I think the implication is that poor, neglected abused or destitue people have less a right to their life than others do. Or,... that their plight is a reasonable justification for denying the rights of children who MIGHT become 'poor, neglected, abused,... etc.'

    In some people's mind,... it's more humane to abort those children than to risk having them grow up in undesirable conditions.
    I don't think any rational person could actually think that.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Of course. The baby is innocent.
    The baby (in a rape pregnancy) is a REAL and existing threat to the woman's health, life and other resources. A Threat that she did NOT consent to or invite (implied consent) upon herself.

    A perceived rapist is only a 'potential' or 'perceived' threat.

    Yet, using your logic,... she has only the right (in a rape situation) to defend herself against a 'potential' threat,... and not a 'real' one.

    Real nice.
    Last edited by Chuz Life; 03-23-10 at 11:09 AM.

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    Question Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think any rational person could actually think that.
    Do you think everyone who posts in these forums is being rational?
    Last edited by Chuz Life; 03-23-10 at 11:10 AM.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    The baby (in a pregnancy) is a REAL and existing threat to the woman's health, life and other resources.
    Yes - in all cases, not just rape. So why restrict abortion rights to rape?

    Yet, using your logic,... she has only the right (in a rape situation) to defend herself against a 'potential' threat,... and not a 'real' one.
    A pregnancy in the case of rape is no more a threat than any other.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Do you think everyone who posts in these forums is being rational?
    I believe everyone has the potential for it, in the very least.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So living in the ghetto then is equivalent to being dead? I think perhaps that's a bit of an exaggeration. But I do get the fundamental point, I just think being alive happens to be better than the alternative. Regardless of abortion being legal/illegal I think there is a necessary overall of our adoption policies. We need to make it easier and cheaper to adopt, allow same sex married couples to adopt, etc. There's a lot of work necessary and currently there are well more orphans than willing homes to take it. There would definitely have to be procedures and attitude adjustments. Still in the end, I don't think living in the ghetto is quite as bad as being dead, so it's not as simple as saying you're trading one condemnation for another. While growing up in the ghetto is not ideal and will come with strong environmental pressures towards crime; you're still alive which is a better state than dead.
    Honestly, I am not sure that it is. If I lived a life where I had few choices and there was a very strong possibility that the best I could do was work at McDonalds and had no real chance at happiness or fulfillment, I would wish I hadn't been born. Life is as valuable as we can make it to be, no more. We are the judge of our own value though. But for me, that sort of life would be more a curse than a gift and nonexistence would be the preferred state.
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    fyi Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes - in all cases, not just rape. So why restrict abortion rights to rape?



    A pregnancy in the case of rape is no more a threat than any other.
    Consent.

    Implied or otherwise.

    It changes everything.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Consent.

    Implied or otherwise.

    It changes everything.
    WHY?

    What is it about consent?

    If you believe a fetus is the equivalent of a person, the fetus has a right to life no matter what. Consent is irrelevant.

    If you believe a fetus is not a person, the mother has a total right to her body. Consent is irrelevant.

    How she got pregnant is her business. Either the baby has rights, or it doesn't, in which case the mother does.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    WHY?

    What is it about consent?

    If you believe a fetus is the equivalent of a person, the fetus has a right to life no matter what. Consent is irrelevant.

    If you believe a fetus is not a person, the mother has a total right to her body. Consent is irrelevant.

    How she got pregnant is her business. Either the baby has rights, or it doesn't, in which case the mother does.


    I'll leave you with your questions knowing that others will see that I have already answered them.

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