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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I have provided the answers. You just don't like the answer provided.

    That's your problem. Not mine.

    No-one else seems to have the problem comprehending my posts that you do.
    You haven't provided an answer - not a straight one. And many others agree with me.

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    rolleyes Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    This is exactly how I feel. Abortion is something that should be avoided whenever possible but I cannot support a ban on it until society does more for people after they come out of the womb. Right now if people don't do well in life, a good portion of the population ignores very real social problems and often blames the victim. Is that person any better off having been born?
    And now, the basement mod's attempt to derail the thread is fool swing.

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    Question Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You haven't provided an answer - not a straight one. And many others agree with me.



    What was your question again?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/search.php

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post



    What was your question again?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/search.php
    How does one search for that? What search term should I use?

    You've already spent more time avoiding the answer than you would simply answering it. If you already have, simply repeat it again please. Prove me wrong.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    But, having said that...why exactly would abortion foes WANT a woman to carry through with a pregnancy she does not want? What exactly is the benefit of forcing a woman to carry a child that she doesn't want to have? What is the benefit TO THAT CHILD? I've worked with quite a lot of kids who probably should never have been born. Some of them are still in prison and will be in prison for the rest of their lives.
    I would imagine it would be to save the life of the child. Perhaps you've worked with kids who "should never have been born"; but less you can identify that in the womb you'd have to take innocent life as innocent life and not cast judgment till that child grew up and made decisions and actions. Before that, there's not much to say. There's a lot of people I don't think should reproduce...basically anyone without a doctorate. But I don't really get to say who can't live; so most people are ok. I can't say "well statistically, you're going to have some amount of chance to commit a crime possibly in the future so I'm just gonna take you out now". Doesn't make much sense. Shouldn't be able to punish people for possible future crimes.
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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    The abortion debate is very simple. Either you believe the fetus is the moral equivalent of a living person at X time in a pregnancy, or you don't. It all comes down to that. Either a fetus - all fetuses - have a right to live, or they don't. If they don't, it's entirely up to the woman. Pretty simple, and no exceptions allowed except for true dilemmas like a threat to the mother's life. Not easy to handle, but simple.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I would imagine it would be to save the life of the child. Perhaps you've worked with kids who "should never have been born"; but less you can identify that in the womb you'd have to take innocent life as innocent life and not cast judgment till that child grew up and made decisions and actions. Before that, there's not much to say. There's a lot of people I don't think should reproduce...basically anyone without a doctorate. But I don't really get to say who can't live; so most people are ok. I can't say "well statistically, you're going to have some amount of chance to commit a crime possibly in the future so I'm just gonna take you out now". Doesn't make much sense. Shouldn't be able to punish people for possible future crimes.
    The point is that giving these children life and than forcing them out into a ghetto or some other dysfunctional environment just as cruel as abortion. If society deems it unacceptable to have abortions for reasons other than medical necessity than provisions should be made to raise those children in a positive and functioning environment, if the parent does not feel that he or she can provide for that. Otherwise you are trading one condemnation for another, even if its only a statistical possibility.
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    Question Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The abortion debate is very simple. Either you believe the fetus is the moral equivalent of a living person at X time in a pregnancy, or you don't. It all comes down to that. Either a fetus - all fetuses - have a right to live, or they don't. If they don't, it's entirely up to the woman. Pretty simple, and no exceptions allowed except for true dilemmas like a threat to the mother's life. Not easy to handle, but simple.
    So, let me get ths right.

    In the event that we establish the fact that "personhood" begins at conception,...

    In YOUR OPINION,...

    A woman has the right to kill a fully developed, cognitive, able to feel pain, aware, thinking human being (a perceived rapist) in an act of self defense,... even if all he wants is to have sex with her against her will....

    But that same woman should be forced to allow a child (FORCED on her by her attacker),... to use her body and other resources,... placing her life and certainly her health in harms way,... for NINE months,... even if the pregnancy is against her will?

    How is this not an example of what you just said above?

    And why the double standard?

    Either the woman has the right to defend herself against a threat she didn't invite against herself,...or she doesn't.
    Last edited by Chuz Life; 03-23-10 at 11:04 AM.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The point is that giving these children life and than forcing them out into a ghetto or some other dysfunctional environment just as cruel as abortion. If society deems it unacceptable to have abortions for reasons other than medical necessity than provisions should be made to raise those children in a positive and functioning environment. Otherwise you are trading one condemnation for another, even if its only a statistical possibility.
    So living in the ghetto then is equivalent to being dead? I think perhaps that's a bit of an exaggeration. But I do get the fundamental point, I just think being alive happens to be better than the alternative. Regardless of abortion being legal/illegal I think there is a necessary overall of our adoption policies. We need to make it easier and cheaper to adopt, allow same sex married couples to adopt, etc. There's a lot of work necessary and currently there are well more orphans than willing homes to take it. There would definitely have to be procedures and attitude adjustments. Still in the end, I don't think living in the ghetto is quite as bad as being dead, so it's not as simple as saying you're trading one condemnation for another. While growing up in the ghetto is not ideal and will come with strong environmental pressures towards crime; you're still alive which is a better state than dead.
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    Post Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So living in the ghetto then is equivalent to being dead? I think perhaps that's a bit of an exaggeration.
    I think the implication is that poor, neglected abused or destitue people have less a right to their life than others do. Or,... that their plight is a reasonable justification for denying the rights of children who MIGHT become 'poor, neglected, abused,... etc.'

    In some people's mind,... it's more humane to abort those children than to risk having them grow up in undesirable conditions.

    To use one's plight to deny the rights of another?

    Speaking for myself,... that kind of logic is too sick and twisted for me to accept.
    Last edited by Chuz Life; 03-23-10 at 11:05 AM.

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