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    fyi Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I do, but only because in this instance it is self defense. The death is justified solely because the pregnancy would be fatal for both the mother and child. It is essentially preserving life by taking another life away. This is self defense and is totally different from aborting a child conceived through rape.
    You are making the (mistake?) assumption that the use of deadly force in an act of self defense is ONLY justified when you are cafing certain death.

    And that's not the reality of the laws regarding self defense.

    You can justifiably KILL a rapist,.. even if all he wants is a piece of ass.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So why does she NOT have the right to abort when a rape has not occurred? That's what you need to explain. On what basis do you oppose abortion in normal cases? That's what is completely missing from you argument, every time. What is it you believe that makes you want to ban abortion for those who are not raped?
    Wrong thread.

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    Cool Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The rapist is not responsible for the child's death. He is responsible for violating an innocent woman and making her pregnant, but ultimately it is the woman who choses if it lives or dies.
    In my opinion, the rapist is the one who placed the child into a situation where it could be killed to protect the woman.

    Therfore, the rapist is the one most responsible for it's death.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    I do, but only because in this instance it is self defense. The death is justified solely because the pregnancy would be fatal for both the mother and child.
    Not necessarily.
    Sometimes only to the mother. Often, the fetus can be delivered pre-term via c-section, and survive.

    If your only reason for supporting a "life of the mother" clause is that the fetus would die too, that's not a valid reason, because it isn't true in many cases. In many cases, if the mother is willing to sacrifice her life by continuing a dangerous pregnancy for as long as possible until it kills her... the fetus has a decent shot at survival.

    In light of that, what say you now?

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Only by a court.

    I have to follow laws if I don't want to get punished, but I hold my morality to be superior to established laws, at least for me.
    Don't we all.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Don't we all.
    That is truth. Many of us live by the edicts of the government because we are ultimately unwilling to risk what we have on a revolt. So we all abide by the government. Those of us whom do not agree with abortion are going to accept it as a reality. I think that may be the point of the thought exercise. Envision yourself on the other side.
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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    You are making the (mistake?) assumption that the use of deadly force in an act of self defense is ONLY justified when you are cafing certain death.

    And that's not the reality of the laws regarding self defense.

    You can justifiably KILL a rapist,.. even if all he wants is a piece of ass.
    Why is it a mistake? I think live is precious and valuable. The only justifiable reason someone may have for taking life from another would be to preserve life.

    And you can kill a rapist because he is threatening you. You don't know if he'll kill you when his done (like many do). I completely support the right to defend oneself. However, when a mother's life is not in danger, she has no right to take life from her unborn child. What physical or individual difference is there between one conceived by rape or conceived by a married couple who wants children? Both fetuses are equally human and both have an equal right to life. Conception doesn't deem whether or not someone is allowed to live or not. The individual born by rape is no less valuable than one born by two consenting adults who want kids.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Don't we all.
    Exactly. Its pretty normal to feel that way. I guess that's why I am having trouble with this thread.

    I will answer this because this is what I think you are going for

    Assume for a moment that you were convinced that a fetus is a complete human life. Would you accept abortion in cases of rape?
    My answer would be that if it was a full human life than it would not be right to kill it, however, provisions should be made to protect the mother from the emotional devastation that carrying the child to term and mothering it would provide. There is a good chance that the child would not live in a happy home and foster care is often a bad solution as well.

    In order for this to happen and the mother and child to have a chance at a successful and happy life, someone would have to be willing to step up and adopt these children in cases where there is too much emotional damage. Preserving a life, only to have it ruined by abuse or an unhappy home doesn't do a whole lot of good.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 03-22-10 at 11:58 PM.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Abortion is never going to be made illegal again. it's a nice fantasy, though.
    Perhaps in the year 3000, we will be civilized enough to not even think of abortions....Rape will be a thing of an ugly past, but for today, I think that if a woman wants an abortion she should be able to get one....report or no report....we need a better quality of man, this will take time..

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Wrong thread.
    Wrong thread? Are you kidding? It's exactly the right thread.

    You just don't know. You have been asked this over and over on other threads already, and you never give a straight answer. I conclude that you simply don't have one to offer.

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