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    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    That being said, the thought of implied consent due to inaction after rape is a completely disgusting concept.
    It would be disgusting.

    TRUE.

    But to justify the killing of a child that resulted from a rape that could have been,.. possibly SHOULD have been reported much sooner would be pretty disgusting as well.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    It would be disgusting.

    TRUE.

    But to justify the killing of a child that resulted from a rape that could have been,.. possibly SHOULD have been reported much sooner would be pretty disgusting as well.
    Like I said. Actual person > potential person. Its a shame that a fetus has to be harmed due to the actions of another, but I think doing so would provide for the least harm overall in such an awful situation.
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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Does a baby conceived by rape have the right (clearly not intentional) to kill the mother?

    Do you support abortions when necessary to save the woman's life?
    I do, but only because in this instance it is self defense. The death is justified solely because the pregnancy would be fatal for both the mother and child. It is essentially preserving life by taking another life away. This is self defense and is totally different from aborting a child conceived through rape.
    Do you see where I am going with this?

    In a 'life of the mother' abortion,... the child has no 'intent' to kill or harm the mother either,... but she has the right to abort to save her life.

    Likewise when a child (pregnancy) is forced upon her against her will...

    Don't you see?

    It's the rapist who is ultimately responsible for the child's death.

    And if the woman can be (or wants to be) convinced to have the child regardless? Oh my GAWD! Tell me what she needs and I will gladly try to help her. But if she can't do it,... it is wrong, and more importantly 'Un_Constitutional' to force her.

    I see where you are going, but I don't think rape is equal with a fatal pregnancy. A woman has the choice to end her pregnancy because her life is at stake. However, if a woman is raped and conceives, her life is not at risk. My justification is that the fetus has a right to be born and live, and it didn't chose to be born through rape. A woman my terminate her pregnancy when her life and her unborn child's life are in jeopardy because this is self defense. Even if a pregnancy is against her will she still doesn't have the right to kill her child against its will. The life of the individual unborn child outweighs the woman's 9 months of discomfort against her will. The rapist is not responsible for the child's death. He is responsible for violating an innocent woman and making her pregnant, but ultimately it is the woman who choses if it lives or dies.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Like I said. Actual person > potential person.
    But I don't think that's the outline of the hypothetical. You come from a very developed theory wherein you state that the unborn child is something less than human. However, the scenario placed before us for the context of this thought exercise is to assume that it is now accepted that we accept life at conception. Therefore, a conceived child would be considered a "person".
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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So why does she NOT have the right to abort when a rape has not occurred? That's what you need to explain. On what basis do you oppose abortion in normal cases? That's what is completely missing from you argument, every time. What is it you believe that makes you want to ban abortion for those who are not raped?
    Consent changes everything.

    I can't simplify it any more than that for you.

    If a guy grabs you,.. lashes your feet together and starts getting ready to throw you off a bridge,... you would have a right to KILL him in an act of self defense,... But if you pay that same guy to bind your feet and toss you over (bungee jumping) that same bridge,... You consented to the act and so (if you get killed) YOU are just as responsible as he is. (within reason)

    Consent changes everything

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But I don't think that's the outline of the hypothetical. You come from a very developed theory wherein you state that the unborn child is something less than human. However, the scenario placed before us for the context of this thought exercise is to assume that it is now accepted that we accept life at conception. Therefore, a conceived child would be considered a "person".
    As I read the first post. The situation is that the supreme court has deemed a fetus to be a person. I took it to mean that I may or may not agree with their decision. As such, I saw no reason to change my own feelings on the matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Just like the title says.

    It's the year ???? and the anti-abortion movement has finally succeeded in banning elective abortions; making them illegal.

    The United States Supreme Court has ruled that 'personhood' begins at conception and that children while in the womb have a 14th Amendment right to their lives, due process and equal protection under the law.

    The Constitution remains as it is currently worded.

    Would you demand and support an exception to the ban for cases where a woman was raped and she becomes pregnant?
    As I read it again, I don't see where it should be understood differently. Laws are only laws, I consider my morality to be a more important motivator at least in terms of me choosing my own actions and beliefs.
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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    I'm prolife, but I support the abortion option for a victim of rape.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    As I read the first post. The situation is that the supreme court has deemed a fetus to be a person. I took it to mean that I may or may not agree with their decision. As such, I saw no reason to change my own feelings on the matter.
    Fair enough, but what about under the scenario I outlined then?
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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Like I said. Actual person > potential person. Its a shame that a fetus has to be harmed due to the actions of another, but I think doing so would provide for the least harm overall in such an awful situation.
    Red herring alert.

    In my poll question,... there is no 'fetus is a potential person.'

    Their personhood would have already been established.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Red herring alert.

    In my poll question,... there is no 'fetus is a potential person.'

    Their personhood would have already been established.
    Only by a court.

    I have to follow laws if I don't want to get punished, but I hold my morality to be superior to established laws, at least for me.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 03-22-10 at 11:47 PM.

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