If you build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day.
If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Do you support abortions when necessary to save the woman's life?
Do you see where I am going with this?
In a 'life of the mother' abortion,... the child has no 'intent' to kill or harm the mother either,... but she has the right to abort to save her life.
Likewise when a child (pregnancy) is forced upon her against her will...
Don't you see?
It's the rapist who is ultimately responsible for the child's death.
And if the woman can be (or wants to be) convinced to have the child regardless? Oh my GAWD! Tell me what she needs and I will gladly try to help her. But if she can't do it,... it is wrong, and more importantly 'Un_Constitutional' to force her.
Nobody can force her to, anyway.
It's easy to abort a pregnancy.
The best you can hope to do is punish women after the fact for exercising their right to bodily sovereignty.
That's unconstitutional too, though, so it won't ever happen.
Even during the brief period in the history of our country that abortion was criminalized, few if any offenders were ever punished.
I would also support a woman claiming rape even if it didn't happen if such laws were in place. As long as it didn't ruin some guy's life.
That being said, the thought of implied consent due to inaction after rape is a completely disgusting concept.
Last edited by tacomancer; 03-22-10 at 08:21 PM.
Given the conditions of the scenario where life is recognized to begin at conception, then no there couldn't be a rape clause. Human life is human life, and even a child born of rape has committed no wrong enough to warrant its destruction.
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Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
Last edited by misterman; 03-22-10 at 08:53 PM.
No, absolutely not. If I were somehow made to believe that a fetus was a 'person' deserving of full rights, then I would never in a million years sentence a person to death for the crimes of his/her father.
I can't really pick one of the poll options, so I chose "Other"
And here are a few thoughts on the matter.
Rape, IMO, is one of the worst possible criminal acts yet conceived by humans.
In my mental list of "worst criminal acts", it ranks above murder and below child molestation.
My reasoning is that at least an adult female has had more mental development, and may potentially handle such horrors better than a child. At least, a higher percentage might.
My views on abortion tend towards those of digsbe, in that "we believe the fetus has a right to life".
But as I'm unsure what portion of those views arises from my own examination of the situation, as opposed to the religious background from my younger years, I hesitate to commit to that view exclusively.
I see merit in both sides of the issue.
Taking into account my current tentative position on the issue, I would probably be happiest with abortions not being allowed except in the case of the mother's life being threatened by the pregnancy.
As digsbe stated, "if it's because we believe the fetus has a right to life, then that right is universal regardless of the conception circumstances."
In this specific hypothetical issue, that of woman who is impregnated by a rapist...
My view would have that woman carry that child to term...Which I cannot view as a good thing either, especially if said woman's whole life was disrupted by it.
Not to mention the potential harm to the child if the mother does not want it, but is required by law to have it anyway…
But I can't completely agree with the idea that an unborn child, of any developmental stage, should be eliminated from potential participation in the world simply because they were unexpected/unwanted.
That said, I'm not convinced either way on the debate about when the sperm and egg transitions into a future human being
And then there is the fact that abortions and/or pregnancy prevention measures have been going on for thousands of years...With no negative consequences to speak of...Well, except perhaps to the woman applying them, in some cases.
Basically, I don't really know where I stand...but have a few ideas about it.
Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller