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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Just like the title says.

    It's the year ???? and the anti-abortion movement has finally succeeded in banning elective abortions; making them illegal.

    The United States Supreme Court has ruled that 'personhood' begins at conception and that children while in the womb have a 14th Amendment right to their lives, due process and equal protection under the law.

    The Constitution remains as it is currently worded.

    Would you demand and support an exception to the ban for cases where a woman was raped and she becomes pregnant?
    If the supreme court ruled that personhood began at conception then there should not be a rape exception. The ZEF committed no crime and therefore there is no basis on which to take away its life, which is protected by the 14th amendment.
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    fyi Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It all depends on why we are against abortion, if it's because we believe the fetus has a right to life, then that right is universal regardless of the conception circumstances. I understand your take on things and I appreciate it, but I must disagree because I think even a baby conceived through rape has the right to be born.
    Does a baby conceived by rape have the right (clearly not intentional) to kill the mother?

    Do you support abortions when necessary to save the woman's life?

    Do you see where I am going with this?

    In a 'life of the mother' abortion,... the child has no 'intent' to kill or harm the mother either,... but she has the right to abort to save her life.

    Likewise when a child (pregnancy) is forced upon her against her will...

    Don't you see?

    It's the rapist who is ultimately responsible for the child's death.

    And if the woman can be (or wants to be) convinced to have the child regardless? Oh my GAWD! Tell me what she needs and I will gladly try to help her. But if she can't do it,... it is wrong, and more importantly 'Un_Constitutional' to force her.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    If the supreme court ruled that personhood began at conception then there should not be a rape exception. The ZEF committed no crime and therefore there is no basis on which to take away its life, which is protected by the 14th amendment.
    See post # 12

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Does a baby conceived by rape have the right (clearly not intentional) to kill the mother?

    Do you support abortions when necessary to save the woman's life?

    Do you see where I am going with this?

    In a 'life of the mother' abortion,... the child has no 'intent' to kill or harm the mother either,... but she has the right to abort to save her life.

    Likewise when a child (pregnancy) is forced upon her against her will...

    Don't you see?

    It's the rapist who is ultimately responsible for the child's death.

    And if the woman can be (or wants to be) convinced to have the child regardless? Oh my GAWD! Tell me what she needs and I will gladly try to help her. But if she can't do it,... it is wrong, and more importantly 'Un_Constitutional' to force her.
    No more than it's "wrong, and more importantly 'Un_Constitutional" to force any woman to gestate a fetus against her will.
    Nobody can force her to, anyway.
    It's easy to abort a pregnancy.
    The best you can hope to do is punish women after the fact for exercising their right to bodily sovereignty.
    That's unconstitutional too, though, so it won't ever happen.
    Even during the brief period in the history of our country that abortion was criminalized, few if any offenders were ever punished.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    That said,... do you not agree that the longer the woman waits to report the rape (talking weeks not minutes here),... the more she 'consents' to the conditions of her pregnancy?
    I think that as long as its in the first and possibly second trimester than it shouldn't matter.

    I would also support a woman claiming rape even if it didn't happen if such laws were in place. As long as it didn't ruin some guy's life.

    That being said, the thought of implied consent due to inaction after rape is a completely disgusting concept.
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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Given the conditions of the scenario where life is recognized to begin at conception, then no there couldn't be a rape clause. Human life is human life, and even a child born of rape has committed no wrong enough to warrant its destruction.
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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Does a baby conceived by rape have the right (clearly not intentional) to kill the mother?

    Do you support abortions when necessary to save the woman's life?

    Do you see where I am going with this?

    In a 'life of the mother' abortion,... the child has no 'intent' to kill or harm the mother either,... but she has the right to abort to save her life.

    Likewise when a child (pregnancy) is forced upon her against her will...
    So why does she NOT have the right to abort when a rape has not occurred? That's what you need to explain. On what basis do you oppose abortion in normal cases? That's what is completely missing from you argument, every time. What is it you believe that makes you want to ban abortion for those who are not raped?
    Last edited by misterman; 03-22-10 at 10:53 PM.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    No, absolutely not. If I were somehow made to believe that a fetus was a 'person' deserving of full rights, then I would never in a million years sentence a person to death for the crimes of his/her father.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    I can't really pick one of the poll options, so I chose "Other"

    And here are a few thoughts on the matter.

    Rape, IMO, is one of the worst possible criminal acts yet conceived by humans.

    In my mental list of "worst criminal acts", it ranks above murder and below child molestation.
    My reasoning is that at least an adult female has had more mental development, and may potentially handle such horrors better than a child. At least, a higher percentage might.

    My views on abortion tend towards those of digsbe, in that "we believe the fetus has a right to life".

    But as I'm unsure what portion of those views arises from my own examination of the situation, as opposed to the religious background from my younger years, I hesitate to commit to that view exclusively.

    I see merit in both sides of the issue.

    Taking into account my current tentative position on the issue, I would probably be happiest with abortions not being allowed except in the case of the mother's life being threatened by the pregnancy.

    As digsbe stated, "if it's because we believe the fetus has a right to life, then that right is universal regardless of the conception circumstances."

    In this specific hypothetical issue, that of woman who is impregnated by a rapist...

    My view would have that woman carry that child to term...Which I cannot view as a good thing either, especially if said woman's whole life was disrupted by it.

    Not to mention the potential harm to the child if the mother does not want it, but is required by law to have it anyway…

    But I can't completely agree with the idea that an unborn child, of any developmental stage, should be eliminated from potential participation in the world simply because they were unexpected/unwanted.
    That said, I'm not convinced either way on the debate about when the sperm and egg transitions into a future human being

    And then there is the fact that abortions and/or pregnancy prevention measures have been going on for thousands of years...With no negative consequences to speak of...Well, except perhaps to the woman applying them, in some cases.

    Ah hell...

    Basically, I don't really know where I stand...but have a few ideas about it.
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    Question Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Presumably everyone who supports abortion rights would support such a thing, so you're basically asking abortion opponents if there should be a rape exception. Or am I missing something?
    If you are not sure,... or if there is a chance that you are missing something,... Why would you go ahead and vote in the poll?

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