View Poll Results: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Obviously the people who are arguing that a woman who doesn't have an abortion right away after being rape is consenting to the rape do not know anybody who has been raped. Rape is one of the most under-reported of violent crimes. Not because victims consent to the rape but because victims are usually too scared of what the repercussions will be. Let us all remember one thing, when a woman is raped or sexually assaulted it is usually by somebody she has known at least casually. The entire premise that a woman consents to a rape because she doesn't call it in immediately is not supported by the facts.
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    fyi Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Obviously the people who are arguing that a woman who doesn't have an abortion right away after being rape is consenting to the rape do not know anybody who has been raped. Rape is one of the most under-reported of violent crimes. Not because victims consent to the rape but because victims are usually too scared of what the repercussions will be. Let us all remember one thing, when a woman is raped or sexually assaulted it is usually by somebody she has known at least casually. The entire premise that a woman consents to a rape because she doesn't call it in immediately is not supported by the facts.
    Consenting to the rape?

    /Epic Logic Fail

    If a woman reports a rape immediately, she is treated immediately to prevent pregnancy, HIV and other STD's and evidence can be gathered for investigation,... We should encourage women to come forward as soon as possible.

    And as far as my use of the term 'informed consent?' It's in reference towards having some level of intent to keep the child,... NOT a growing "consent" to the rape that occurred.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Consenting to the rape?

    /Epic Logic Fail
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    That said,... do you not agree that the longer the woman waits to report the rape (talking weeks not minutes here),... the more she 'consents' to the conditions of her pregnancy?
    Your own words betray you.

    If a woman reports a rape immediately, she is treated immediately to prevent pregnancy, HIV and other STD's and evidence can be gathered for investigation,... We should encourage women to come forward as soon as possible.
    But they do not. Pick up a book on Victimology to find out why. Here's a good one:

    [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Victimology-Applications-Ann-Wolbert-Bergess/dp/0763772100/ref=sr_1_2/176-7836137-9317329?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269404557&sr=1-2]Amazon.com: Victimology: Theories and Applications (9780763772109): Ann Wolbert Bergess, Cheryl Regehr, Albert Roberts: Books[/ame]

    And as far as my use of the term 'informed consent?' It's in reference towards having some level of intent to keep the child,... NOT a growing "consent" to the rape that occurred.
    I have no interest in your word play tonight. A woman who has been raped does not consent to anything by waiting 2 weeks to get rid of a fetus instead of 20 minutes after the rape has occurred. Each victim is different, each rape is different. Cookie cutter theories for why a woman does what after she's been raped have been dismissed for the better part of the last 40-50 years.
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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Consenting to the rape?

    /Epic Logic Fail

    If a woman reports a rape immediately, she is treated immediately to prevent pregnancy, HIV and other STD's and evidence can be gathered for investigation,... We should encourage women to come forward as soon as possible.

    And as far as my use of the term 'informed consent?' It's in reference towards having some level of intent to keep the child,... NOT a growing "consent" to the rape that occurred.
    I'll say it again. Your informed consent position fails because it does not consider the psychological affects on the woman raped. It implies that it is an either/or situation. That is a false dichotomy and absolutely untrue. When a woman reports a rape, based on her emotional ability to handle the repercussions of doing so, has zero to do with the abortion of the fetus. These issues are mutually exclusive.
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    Cool Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your own words betray you.
    What???

    Please explain how the rape (past tense, history) is a 'condition of ' her (present, current condition) pregnancy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I have no interest in your word play tonight. A woman who has been raped does not consent to anything by waiting 2 weeks to get rid of a fetus instead of 20 minutes after the rape has occurred.
    I tend to agree "in general."

    But you ignore the fact that the longer she waits,... the harder it is to make that the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Each victim is different, each rape is different. Cookie cutter theories for why a woman does what after she's been raped have been dismissed for the better part of the last 40-50 years.
    I never set a deadline.

    I made the factual comment that the longer someone waits to report a crime, the more they become responsible for their current condition; the more they (imply) consent to their current condition.
    Last edited by Chuz Life; 03-24-10 at 09:55 AM.

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    Question Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'll say it again. Your informed consent position fails because it does not consider the psychological affects on the woman raped. It implies that it is an either/or situation. That is a false dichotomy and absolutely untrue. When a woman reports a rape, based on her emotional ability to handle the repercussions of doing so, has zero to do with the abortion of the fetus. These issues are mutually exclusive.
    Do you have a problem with doing as much as possible (within reason) to encourage women to report their rapes sooner rather than later?

    It seems like you do.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Do you have a problem with doing as much as possible (within reason) to encourage women to report their rapes sooner rather than later?

    It seems like you do.
    I would ask that you point out what portions of CaptainCourtesy's post led you to this conclusion?
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    rolleyes Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I would ask that you point out what portions of CaptainCourtesy's post led you to this conclusion?
    Well go ahead.

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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Well go ahead.
    I ask that you point out what portions of CaptainCourtesy's post led you to this conclusion.
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    Re: Would you support a 'rape exception' to a government ban on elective abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'll say it again. Your informed consent position fails because it does not consider the psychological affects on the woman raped. It implies that it is an either/or situation. That is a false dichotomy and absolutely untrue. When a woman reports a rape, based on her emotional ability to handle the repercussions of doing so, has zero to do with the abortion of the fetus. These issues are mutually exclusive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Do you have a problem with doing as much as possible (within reason) to encourage women to report their rapes sooner rather than later?

    It seems like you do.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I would ask that you point out what portions of CaptainCourtesy's post led you to this conclusion?
    Well, for one he hasn't answered my question,.. so I can't really say he agrees with me.

    So, (at this point) I would say "His reluctance to answer my question and say for himself that he agrees with me."

    Not sure why that's important to you though.

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