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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Can you avoid getting sick?
    No, but you can decline to participate in the health insurance market.
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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    No, but you can decline to participate in the health insurance market.
    Until just before (but not just after) you get sick. This makes you a freeloader.

    We simply can't sustain our health system when only sick people are paying into it. Insurance can't work without healthy people in the pool. That's just the way it is. If you want there to be insurance around when you get old and more likely to get sick, you need to start paying for it now.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Until just before (but not just after) you get sick. This makes you a freeloader.

    We simply can't sustain our health system when only sick people are paying into it. Insurance can't work without healthy people in the pool. That's just the way it is. If you want there to be insurance around when you get old and more likely to get sick, you need to start paying for it now.
    Even when you get sick, there's nothing forcing you to participate in the health insurance market.

    If you're worried about people being freeloaders by waiting until they're sick before taking advantage of the insurance regulations, then that sounds like a problem with the way the insurance regulations are drafted.
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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Until just before (but not just after) you get sick. This makes you a freeloader.

    We simply can't sustain our health system when only sick people are paying into it. Insurance can't work without healthy people in the pool. That's just the way it is. If you want there to be insurance around when you get old and more likely to get sick, you need to start paying for it now.
    The problem with this model is factoring in individual responsibility for lifestyle choices. Should a clean living, non-smoking occasional drinker, who eats a healthy diet, is optimal weight, and exercises regularly, have to pay higher rates for a open heart bypass surgery for an obese smoker who eats at McDonalds regularly and never exercises?
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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    The problem with this model is factoring in individual responsibility for lifestyle choices. Should a clean living, non-smoking occasional drinker, who eats a healthy diet, is optimal weight, and exercises regularly, have to pay higher rates for a open heart bypass surgery for an obese smoker who eats at McDonalds regularly and never exercises?
    They should pay the same rate. That's the way group insurance works.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Even when you get sick, there's nothing forcing you to participate in the health insurance market.

    If you're worried about people being freeloaders by waiting until they're sick before taking advantage of the insurance regulations, then that sounds like a problem with the way the insurance regulations are drafted.
    Yes - and the bill added some new regulations to fix that.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes - and the bill added some new regulations to fix that.
    How exactly did the bill fix that problem? From my understanding, a healthy 25 year old earning 60k can either choose to pay several thousand a year for health insurance or simply pay a $695 penalty. If he chooses to pay that penalty each year and then 4 or 5 years later finds out that he has cancer, he can then turn around and get insurance through the exchange at a price subsidized primarily by the government.

    From my perspective, that seems like a fairly strong incentive to freeload.
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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    I don't think they'll repeal it at all. I think they'll try to refine what's already signed into law, but I don't think they'll repeal it for this reason:

    Republicans talk a mean talk, but they'd look like hypocrites by saying that they understand the need for health care reform and yet they take the one piece of legistation that does that off the roles just so they can move forward with their own agenda thus taking this country through another 100 year long debate on the matter. No! That would be political suicide no matter what you think of the current health care bill!! They'd only be doing something to support their base, but the rest of the country won't stand for it! Mark my words, if Republicans do win back Congress and try to repeal the health care bill, they won't be in office long.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    The problem with this model is factoring in individual responsibility for lifestyle choices. Should a clean living, non-smoking occasional drinker, who eats a healthy diet, is optimal weight, and exercises regularly, have to pay higher rates for a open heart bypass surgery for an obese smoker who eats at McDonalds regularly and never exercises?
    No. I didn't say they should have to all pay the same rates, just that the rate should be more than zero (not participating at all).

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    How exactly did the bill fix that problem? From my understanding, a healthy 25 year old earning 60k can either choose to pay several thousand a year for health insurance or simply pay a $695 penalty.
    It's not that simple, but I don't think a healthy 25-year-old would be charged "several thousand dollars" for insurance.

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