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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The government is telling me it is now illegal for me not to buy a goods or service (insurance) that deals specifically with my body, because it now has a vested interest in whether or not my body stays health in regards to health care.
    That is absurd. I am not that comfortable with the idea of requiring mandatory health insurance coverage, but it has nothing to do with controlling your body. It is not an issue of self ownership at all, but rather its a way of protecting others from having the bear the cost of your needing to have medical attention, but not being able to pay for it. It is no different than mandatory auto insurance in that regard.

    There is not a single, solitary other example I can think of that the government forces you to buy a commodity without any recourse outside of the penalty. Its NOTHING like car insurance where its only required if you're choosing to actually drive a motor vehicle on the road.
    Virtually every necessity of life that you purchase bears the burden of government regulation. It is no different than motor vehicle insurance. If you choose to drive a vehicle on United States roads, regardless of whether you are a United States resident or not, you are legally required to carry liability coverage on it. With this bill passing, if you choose to reside in the United States, then you are legally required to carry health insurance coverage. These types of arrangements are examples of social contracts, this is basic civics 101.

    If one does not likes the social contract of a nation, then they have the option of choosing to reside in almost any nation on earth they choose to live in. This is the market of nations that makes up the world we live in. Welcome to modernity.

    The government now has a definitive, substantial stake in health care, meaning that anything that we do that affects it they can claim is under their purview. History has shown us that Congress has zero qualms with taking any minute detail and using it as justification to claim that something is within their jurisdiction. Now suddenly what I eat, what I do, how I choose to deal with my medical expenses, what I choose to do with my body is suddenly the business of the government because it now has a direct affect on an over arching law that doesn't just cover the elderly or veterans but applies to every single solitary American.
    Yes, there is a long history of the government telling the elderly what they can and cannot eat, do, and so on.

    Its disgusting, its disgraceful, and its one of the way they shoved this down our throats while acting like they're ****ing parents and we're all children telling us "We're doing what's best for you" makes me sad to see what has happened to American.
    Its called representative democracy. This is how it works in most free nations. If you don't like it, you can try to convince others of your views, or move somewhere else. That it is how it works. Again, welcome to modernity.
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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Think about it, what parts are they going to repeal?

    Being able to keep your kids on your policy until they are 26? No, it has strong support.

    The insurance exchanges? No, people will be using them.

    The ban on denying coverage because of preexisting conditions? No, that part has strong support.

    Any of the other consumer protections? Nope, not a chance as they all have strong support.

    So what are we left with? The insurance mandate. The problem there is that while it is not politically popular, the insurance companies love it. Since the Republicans are in the pocket of the insurance lobby, there is not much of a chance they will repeal that portion of the bill either. They might try to bring back the corporate welfare "Medicare Advantage" overpayments, but that probably all they will touch if they get back into power.
    It's because of those particular reasons with strong support that I'm surprised the Republicans would so brazenly declare they'll repeal it once back in the majority. If it's true that the effects that are claimed to take place immediately do in fact happen, then people will have lived with the benefits of those effects just long enough to be scared ****less that the Republicans would be elected and take them away. The Republicans will have turned themselves into Disney-esque villains. So I'm not so sure that the question is "Will Republicans repeal the health care reform" so much as "Would anybody dare elect the Republicans ever again?" The Republicans would have to make most of their base forget that they had ever made the threat of a repeal in the first place.

    Although to be fair, it's not exactly as though getting voters to forget things is particularly hard. There is a lot of time for new media sensations between now and November, and we can almost certainly look forward to Fox News engaging us with the latest story of a kidnapped little blond girl.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It is no different than mandatory auto insurance in that regard.
    It is entirely different than mandated auto-insurance. No one HAS to buy auto-insurance or suffer a penalty. They can choose to live in an area they can bike to where they need to go or could take public transportation. They can avoid having a car and driving, thus not needing to buy health insurance. That isn't the case with this. Simply having a body, simply EXISTING, is enough in this congresses mind to force you to purchase something under threat of the law.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    If enough Republicans are elected into office with the intent to overturn Obama's socialist health care reform, I believe it can and will be overturned. The taxes will start immediately, but the "benefits" of ObamaCare do not begin until 2013. So, theoretically, the country has about three years to stop socialism before the entitlements begin and it becomes too late to kill the bill. Until the entitlements actually begin, it can be overturned if enough people vote politicians into office with the intent to stop socialism.
    I resent the implication that this watered down, innefective, time wasting, international embarrassment is an example of socialism. It's an insult to socialism to suggest that it is.

    Moderate liberals seem surprised that most of the country is against this bill, the real reason is because all conservatives think it goes too far, and the farther left leaning liberals don't think it goes far enough.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    They will try, but ultimately Obama would still have to sign the repealing legislation (which he likely won't do). We will have more luck in 2012 to repeal this once a conservative president is in the White House.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    They will try, but ultimately Obama would still have to sign the repealing legislation (which he likely won't do). We will have more luck in 2012 to repeal this once a conservative president is in the White House.
    You overlook the fact that asumming Dear Leader vetos it, a Conservative majority can still override said veto.


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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Listening to some of the talk show host they seem to be under the impression that this will cost a lot of democrats their seats and somehow the republicans will repeal this. So I decided to ask ask this question-

    If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care reform?


    I say no. I think a lot of these politicians say one thing and do another for votes.
    Aside from the other points that have been made in this thread as to how do you repeal certain measures, SouthernDemocrat details that nicely, do you imagine they could win 19 seats in the Senate? Could they win a veto proof majority in the House?

    That is the only way they have a chance to repeal health care, to override Obama's veto.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Aside from the other points that have been made in this thread as to how do you repeal certain measures, SouthernDemocrat details that nicely, do you imagine they could win 19 seats in the Senate? Could they win a veto proof majority in the House?
    That is the $64,000 question. Basically, I do believe that the Democrats will signifigantly lose their majorities.

    That is the only way they have a chance to repeal health care, to override Obama's veto.
    Just as I had said.


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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    You overlook the fact that asumming Dear Leader vetos it, a Conservative majority can still override said veto.
    Only a conservative supermajority of 2/3rds, in both houses of Congress, can do that. Ain't gonna happen.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It is entirely different than mandated auto-insurance. No one HAS to buy auto-insurance or suffer a penalty. They can choose to live in an area they can bike to where they need to go or could take public transportation. They can avoid having a car and driving, thus not needing to buy health insurance. That isn't the case with this. Simply having a body, simply EXISTING, is enough in this congresses mind to force you to purchase something under threat of the law.
    IF you want to drive a vehicle on most state roads, you have to carry liability insurance. If you don't want to do so, you have the choice of living in a state or nation without such a requirement.

    If you are a male citizen of the United States, and are between the ages of 18 and 25, you are required to register for the selective service system. If you fail to do so, you can face up to a $250,000 fine. If you don't want to do so, you have the choice of leaving the nation and selecting from the market of nations another nation to reside in.

    Public school systems require you to be immunized. If you choose not to do so, you have to either pay for a private education for your kids, or educate them at home. An expense either way.

    If you have a baby in the United States, you are required to get a certificate of live birth even if you have them in the home.

    Congress has power and precedent through the Constitution’s “Commerce Clause” to regulate just about any aspect of the national economy. Health insurance is an economic good. The only possible objection is that mandating its purchase is not the same as “regulating” its purchase, but a mandate is ultimately only a stronger form of regulation. When Congressional power exists, nothing in law says that stronger actions are less supported than weaker ones. Moreover, its enforced through income taxes. Which is certainly within the power of congress. The tax code is full of these kinds of regulatory provisions.

    Finally, there is no requirement for you to undergo treatment or have any sort of medical procedures. It is simply a requirement that you have the means to pay for treatment should you seek or need it and thus the cost of treating you is not passed on to others.

    Every nation on earth has requirements of its citizens and legal residents that reside on that nation's soil. Agree with this or not, its no different. It is simply part of the social contract that any nation has with its citizens and or residents. As a human being, you are free to seek residence in virtually any nation on earth. If one does not like the social contract that one has to live under in Nation A, then they are free to move to any other nation that has a social contract with it's residents they might find more agreeable. Or, one can exercise their positive rights and try to convince others of their views.
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