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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Let me guess. Your one of them thats probably why your a liberal. Are you mad that you didnt get your check today?

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    We all know Massachusetts has a somewhat-similar health care system that ObamaCare will be, which Mitt Romney discussed with Greta on Fox News. According to the Wall Street Journal, average Massachusetts health care premiums are now the highest in the nation. Per capita health spending is 27 percent higher than the national average. And fiscal 2010 costs are $47 million over budget.

    Mitt Romney also said this of the differences between a State mandated health care system versus ObamaCare:
    We didn't raise taxes. We did not at the same time cut Medicare and expect our seniors to have to pay for all this. We didn't do what President Obama's doing, which is putting controls on our system of premiums for private insurance companies. [...] A big difference — a state plan versus a federal plan. No new taxes, unlike his plan. No cut in Medicare, unlike his plan. And no controls over insurance premiums, price controls, cost controls like his plan. So very, very different in that regard. [...] But the idea of taking what we did and applying something entirely different to the entire nation is not the right approach. And I think that's why President Obama is seeing the kind of resistance that he's experiencing.
    They say it's quite right that Romney didn't raise taxes to his state's universal health care system, but Massachusetts got millions of dollars from the federal government to finance the plan.

    MSNBC political analyst Lawrence O’Donnell admitted that ObamaCare will enact the largest tax increase ever in America's history.

    The Wall Street Journal reported that middle-income families will face a big marginal rate increase.

    Here's just some of the damage we can expect from ObamaCare:
    Obama and the Democrats in Congress are taking money out of our pockets with more than a dozen new taxes created by the bill. These would add up quickly for families:

    * Elimination of the Medicare Part D (prescription drug) deduction ($5.4 billion);
    * A 0.5 percent hike in the Medicare payroll tax for single earners over $200,000
    * A tax on branded drugs ($22.2 billion);
    * An annual tax on the health insurers ($60.4 billion)
    * A 40 percent excise tax on "high value" health care ($149.1 billion in new taxes over the next 10 years); and joint earners over $250,000 ($53.8 billion);
    * Changes in health savings accounts (HSAs), ($5 billion);
    * A $2,500 cap on FSAs in cafeteria plans ($14.6 billion);
    * An increase from 10 percent to 20 percent in the penalty for early non-qualified HSA withdrawals ($1.3 billion);
    * A tax on companies that manufacture or import medical devices ($19.3 billion);
    * An increase in the floor of the medical expenses deduction from 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income to 10 percent, except for seniors, who will stay at 7.5 percent ($15.2 billion);
    * A mandate on companies with more than 50 employees to provide health coverage or pay a $750 penalty per employee for those who obtain coverage through the insurance exchange ($36 billion over 10 years) and a mandate on individuals to obtain coverage or pay a tax penalty.
    And finally, common sense tells me that taxes MUST got up in order to finance the largest social contract ever forced onto the American people. The money to pay for socialism won't magically appear out of thin air. Unless you're a liberal, in which case you believe that it will.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    While there is an off shot that it can be repealed after the 2010 elections, its kind of like saying there's an off shot that the Cleveland Browns will win the Super Bowl next year.

    The more likely scenario, which is still sadly unlikely but frankly the best chance we have to not have another abomination of an entitlement program weighing down on the countries neck like an albatross ala social security, is for Republican congressional victories in 2010 and 2012 on the back of, in part, pushing for the repeal of this legislation and Republicans winning the white house.

    IF that happens, and if the repeal is a part of that platform that wins it, 2012 will be the only shot for it. A large majority of the actual entitlement portions of this bill don't come into affect for another year or two after that, giving us one of the only chances to successfully repeal this monstrosity.

    This is part of the reason why, many times, when forced to go with the lesser of two evils choice I go with Republicans over Democrats. Republican laws that get passed that I disagree with are usually in the social realm and tend to be historically far more likely to be overturned, and generally have far less long lasting negative results on the country, than the things in the entitlement realm that Democrats hang on this countries neck.

    Our government now has control of our bodies along with our pocket books. It frankly makes me sick to my stomach. Thank god father government will take money out of your pants so I can see a doctor for it.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Listening to some of the talk show host they seem to be under the impression that this will cost a lot of democrats their seats and somehow the republicans will repeal this. So I decided to ask ask this question-

    If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care reform?


    I say no. I think a lot of these politicians say one thing and do another for votes.
    I pretty sure they won't.

    They want something to manipulate just as much as the Democrats do.
    A new tool in the box of political pandering.
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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    While there is an off shot that it can be repealed after the 2010 elections, its kind of like saying there's an off shot that the Cleveland Browns will win the Super Bowl next year.

    The more likely scenario, which is still sadly unlikely but frankly the best chance we have to not have another abomination of an entitlement program weighing down on the countries neck like an albatross ala social security, is for Republican congressional victories in 2010 and 2012 on the back of, in part, pushing for the repeal of this legislation and Republicans winning the white house.

    IF that happens, and if the repeal is a part of that platform that wins it, 2012 will be the only shot for it. A large majority of the actual entitlement portions of this bill don't come into affect for another year or two after that, giving us one of the only chances to successfully repeal this monstrosity.

    This is part of the reason why, many times, when forced to go with the lesser of two evils choice I go with Republicans over Democrats. Republican laws that get passed that I disagree with are usually in the social realm and tend to be historically far more likely to be overturned, and generally have far less long lasting negative results on the country, than the things in the entitlement realm that Democrats hang on this countries neck.

    Our government now has control of our bodies along with our pocket books. It frankly makes me sick to my stomach. Thank god father government will take money out of your pants so I can see a doctor for it.
    why do you feel our gov't has control of your body? i don't understand that line of thinking.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Listening to some of the talk show host they seem to be under the impression that this will cost a lot of democrats their seats and somehow the republicans will repeal this. So I decided to ask ask this question-

    If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care reform?


    I say no. I think a lot of these politicians say one thing and do another for votes.
    I don't think they will. The end result is that an industry which began contributing heavily to the parties has been rewarded. Both the R and D support things like that. They want the talking point and nothing more.
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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    why do you feel our gov't has control of your body? i don't understand that line of thinking.
    The bill allows them to dictate coverage of services and even allows mandated rationing.
    They have the power to deny services, if they want to use it.
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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    why do you feel our gov't has control of your body? i don't understand that line of thinking.
    The government is telling me it is now illegal for me not to buy a goods or service (insurance) that deals specifically with my body, because it now has a vested interest in whether or not my body stays health in regards to health care.

    There is not a single, solitary other example I can think of that the government forces you to buy a commodity without any recourse outside of the penalty. Its NOTHING like car insurance where its only required if you're choosing to actually drive a motor vehicle on the road.

    The government now has a definitive, substantial stake in health care, meaning that anything that we do that affects it they can claim is under their purview. History has shown us that Congress has zero qualms with taking any minute detail and using it as justification to claim that something is within their jurisdiction. Now suddenly what I eat, what I do, how I choose to deal with my medical expenses, what I choose to do with my body is suddenly the business of the government because it now has a direct affect on an over arching law that doesn't just cover the elderly or veterans but applies to every single solitary American.

    Its disgusting, its disgraceful, and its one of the way they shoved this down our throats while acting like they're ****ing parents and we're all children telling us "We're doing what's best for you" makes me sad to see what has happened to American.

    Hope and Change baby. If this is hope and change, then **** hope.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The government is telling me it is now illegal for me not to buy a goods or service (insurance) that deals specifically with my body, because it now has a vested interest in whether or not my body stays health in regards to health care.

    There is not a single, solitary other example I can think of that the government forces you to buy a commodity without any recourse outside of the penalty. Its NOTHING like car insurance where its only required if you're choosing to actually drive a motor vehicle on the road.

    The government now has a definitive, substantial stake in health care, meaning that anything that we do that affects it they can claim is under their purview. History has shown us that Congress has zero qualms with taking any minute detail and using it as justification to claim that something is within their jurisdiction. Now suddenly what I eat, what I do, how I choose to deal with my medical expenses, what I choose to do with my body is suddenly the business of the government because it now has a direct affect on an over arching law that doesn't just cover the elderly or veterans but applies to every single solitary American.

    Its disgusting, its disgraceful, and its one of the way they shoved this down our throats while acting like they're ****ing parents and we're all children telling us "We're doing what's best for you" makes me sad to see what has happened to American.

    Hope and Change baby. If this is hope and change, then **** hope.
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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    The Republicans won't do it. They don't have the balls or probably even the desire for all the previously stated reasons.

    Anyway, it is a long time until November. Can people stay mad that long? Bear in mind that there's an NCAA Final Four, the FIFA World Cup, the Daytona 500, and the whole MLB season including the World Series among many other things between now and the election. Most people will get over being mad.

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