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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I've seen nothing to that effect. Perhaps you would like to point me to the specific page numbers. Your word isn't worth squat to me without a citation from the bill itself.
    I will check. The previous versions of the bill had a national insurance exchange. Perhaps it changed to state-based exchanges recently.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I will check. The previous versions of the bill had a national insurance exchange. Perhaps it changed to state-based exchanges recently.
    Let me save you the trouble: the exchanges are nothing more than joint risk pools that allow you to purchase insurance in your own state for slightly less.

    There is no provision to open purchase of insurance policies across state lines.

    The entire premise of this being "interstate commerce" is false.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Let me save you the trouble: the exchanges are nothing more than joint risk pools that allow you to purchase insurance in your own state for slightly less.

    There is no provision to open purchase of insurance policies across state lines.

    The entire premise of this being "interstate commerce" is false.
    The original House bill contained a NATIONAL exchange that allowed for buying policies across state lines. I dont' know if this law still does that, but the old one clearly involved interstate commerce.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    If enough Republicans are elected into office with the intent to overturn Obama's socialist health care reform, I believe it can and will be overturned. The taxes will start immediately, but the "benefits" of ObamaCare do not begin until 2013. So, theoretically, the country has about three years to stop socialism before the entitlements begin and it becomes too late to kill the bill. Until the entitlements actually begin, it can be overturned if enough people vote politicians into office with the intent to stop socialism.
    This is complete fantasy; a reactionary reaction, if you will. Its akin to "we'll get them next year". There is no way that this bill can be repealed in whole, in the near term nor long term. First, you have to get a super-majority and a fillibuster proof senate. That isn't going to happen in the next decade. Then you have to replace the sitting president, as he will veto anything of the like.

    I am of the camp that suggests that Dems did themselves a huge political favor getting this done. The American patience with the issue had been waning. Its now a third rail to let the debate linger. Going after healthcare simply portrays the Repubs as lacking issues of their own and/or sore losers, either are not politically attractive. The Repubs might make an issue out of abuse of power (Louisiana purchase).. that would have some traction, but no one really wants to talk about health care except the Republican base.

    You have to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em. Its time for the Repubs to try another approach; healthcare is a loser for them.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I will check. The previous versions of the bill had a national insurance exchange. Perhaps it changed to state-based exchanges recently.
    The house bill had a national exchange, the enacted bill contains state exchanges.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The original House bill contained a NATIONAL exchange that allowed for buying policies across state lines. I dont' know if this law still does that, but the old one clearly involved interstate commerce.
    I read no such thing in the original house bill either. That aside, this bill makes no provision that allows for competition across state lines. None.

    The premise that the Fed can mandate a personal responsibility to buy insurance based on the interstate commerce clause is FALSE.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The house bill had a national exchange, the enacted bill contains state exchanges.
    I didn't realize that, thanks.

    I don't think it will matter much legally, but the case is a little weaker.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I think those who voted "yes" are just wishful at this point. The government has never gotten it's hands out of anything after it gets in.
    That is so very, very true. That's what bothers me about the relentless march of government intrusion into our lives.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I think those who voted "yes" are just wishful at this point. The government has never gotten it's hands out of anything after it gets in.
    It doesn't usually get in with such a tight party-line vote in such a big way, though. Actually, I'm pretty sure it's never happened before now.

    But repealing it will be hard. I think they will at least significantly change it.

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    Re: If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care refo

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    It doesn't usually get in with such a tight party-line vote in such a big way, though. Actually, I'm pretty sure it's never happened before now.

    But repealing it will be hard. I think they will at least significantly change it.
    Let's hope.
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