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    Re: Who'll Be Watching the Health Care Reform Debate on Sunday?

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    Re: Who'll Be Watching the Health Care Reform Debate on Sunday?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm reminded of nothing so much as Chris Rock's description of the OJ Trial:

    "[Democrats] too happy, [Republicans] too sad."

    This bill doesn't end healthcare as we know it, sound the death knell of our democracy, or destroy the Constitution. It also doesn't make health care a right, decrease the number of uninsured until 2014, or do much of anything to control overall health care costs.
    As soon as the President signs this bill:
    1. Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.
    2. Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
    3. Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.
    4. Uninsured adults with a pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.
    5. A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.
    6. Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the "doughnut hole" coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.
    7. A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.
    8. A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.

    FACTBOX-US healthcare bill would provide immediate benefits | Reuters

    You'll note there are SIX (6) different ways that this bill will immediately start to DECREASE the number of uninsured people compared to if the bill had not been passed.
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    Re: Who'll Be Watching the Health Care Reform Debate on Sunday?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    As soon as the President signs this bill:
    1. Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.
    2. Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
    3. Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.
    4. Uninsured adults with a pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.
    5. A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.
    6. Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the "doughnut hole" coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.
    7. A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.
    8. A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.

    FACTBOX-US healthcare bill would provide immediate benefits | Reuters

    You'll note there are SIX (6) different ways that this bill will immediately start to DECREASE the number of uninsured people compared to if the bill had not been passed.
    And yet despite all that, the CBO says that the number of uninsured people will remain at 50 million for the next four years. So either the CBO is full of idiots, or maybe, just maybe, those provisions won't have the impact on the number of uninsured that you think they will.

    edit: Rather than copy-pasting entire chunks from other articles, why don't you only include the relevant things? Unless of course you're arguing that a 10% tax on suntanning will prompt people to go out and sign up for health insurance.
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    Re: Who'll Be Watching the Health Care Reform Debate on Sunday?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And yet despite all that, the CBO says that the number of uninsured people will remain at 50 million for the next four years.
    In order to have a deficit reduction plan, it was necessary for the majority of benefits to begin after 4 years of building the funds to implement them.

    We could petition the government for higher taxes for the upper income classes to enable the majority of benefits to begin sooner if you wish.

    Some will benefit however soon after the bill is signed by the President:

    "-- Small business tax credits. From 2010 through 2013, qualifying small companies could get a tax credit of up to 35 percent of the company's contribution to employee's health coverage. Beginning in 2014, when the exchanges start up, small businesses could qualify for up to 50 percent of the cost.

    -- Coverage for those with pre-existing conditions. Soon after enactment, people with pre-existing conditions who haven't had coverage for at least six months could obtain coverage through a "high-risk pool" with subsidized premiums. This would be a temporary solution until the exchanges begin in 2014.

    -- Assistance for early retirees. Starting in 2010, a temporary reinsurance program will help cut the cost of health coverage for retirees not old enough to be eligible for Medicare.

    -- Dependent coverage to age 26. Shortly after enactment, all insurers will have to accept dependent coverage for children up to age 26.

    -- No more rescissions. Existing plans would no longer be able to terminate beneficiaries when they get sick.

    -- Enhanced preventive care. Soon after enactment, qualified health plans would have to provide certain preventive services without cost-sharing. Starting in 2011, patient cost-sharing for preventive services under Medicare and Medicaid will be eliminated."

    PolitiFact | Tiahrt: Health care bill will collect 10 years of taxes for six years of services
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    Re: Who'll Be Watching the Health Care Reform Debate on Sunday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    In order to have a deficit reduction plan, it was necessary for the majority of benefits to begin after 4 years of building the funds to implement them.

    We could petition the government for higher taxes for the upper income classes to enable the majority of benefits to begin sooner if you wish.

    Some will benefit however soon after the bill is signed by the President:

    "-- Small business tax credits. From 2010 through 2013, qualifying small companies could get a tax credit of up to 35 percent of the company's contribution to employee's health coverage. Beginning in 2014, when the exchanges start up, small businesses could qualify for up to 50 percent of the cost.

    -- Coverage for those with pre-existing conditions. Soon after enactment, people with pre-existing conditions who haven't had coverage for at least six months could obtain coverage through a "high-risk pool" with subsidized premiums. This would be a temporary solution until the exchanges begin in 2014.

    -- Assistance for early retirees. Starting in 2010, a temporary reinsurance program will help cut the cost of health coverage for retirees not old enough to be eligible for Medicare.

    -- Dependent coverage to age 26. Shortly after enactment, all insurers will have to accept dependent coverage for children up to age 26.

    -- No more rescissions. Existing plans would no longer be able to terminate beneficiaries when they get sick.

    -- Enhanced preventive care. Soon after enactment, qualified health plans would have to provide certain preventive services without cost-sharing. Starting in 2011, patient cost-sharing for preventive services under Medicare and Medicaid will be eliminated."

    PolitiFact | Tiahrt: Health care bill will collect 10 years of taxes for six years of services
    So in response to my point that the number of uninsured people will remain at 50 million for the next four years, you're copy pasting a list that essentially reiterates the entirely non-responsive points made by ADK Forever?
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    Re: Who'll Be Watching the Health Care Reform Debate on Sunday?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So in response to my point that the number of uninsured people will remain at 50 million for the next four years, you're copy pasting a list that essentially reiterates the entirely non-responsive points made by ADK Forever?
    It seems you missed (again) the folks that would be covered beginning this year.

    It has been interesting though to see the conservative debate change during the year from, there is no-way/no-how this bill will pass, to, it doesn't go far enough, fast enough.
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    Re: Who'll Be Watching the Health Care Reform Debate on Sunday?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And yet despite all that, the CBO says that the number of uninsured people will remain at 50 million for the next four years. So either the CBO is full of idiots, or maybe, just maybe, those provisions won't have the impact on the number of uninsured that you think they will.
    My "paste" was disputing your terribly inaccurate statement: "It also doesn't make health care a right, decrease the number of uninsured until 2014, or do much of anything to control overall health care costs.". I proved how upon the president signing this bill the number of uninsured would indeed DECREASE.

    Instead of instructing me how I should respond to your statements perhaps you should try to READ and COMPREHEND before you go off with your lessons.

    edit: Rather than copy-pasting entire chunks from other articles, why don't you only include the relevant things? Unless of course you're arguing that a 10% tax on suntanning will prompt people to go out and sign up for health insurance.
    If you would give any thought to other people on here having different, and more accurate, information than you have maybe you would be more open to being... wrong. Which you are.
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    Re: Who'll Be Watching the Health Care Reform Debate on Sunday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It seems you missed (again) the folks that would be covered beginning this year.

    It has been interesting though to see the conservative debate change during the year from, there is no-way/no-how this bill will pass, to, it doesn't go far enough, fast enough.
    He sees it. He just can't bring himself to admit it.
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    Re: Who'll Be Watching the Health Care Reform Debate on Sunday?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So in response to my point that the number of uninsured people will remain at 50 million for the next four years, you're copy pasting a list that essentially reiterates the entirely non-responsive points made by ADK Forever?
    You would have to actually "read" posts to decide if they were "non-responsive".
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    Re: Who'll Be Watching the Health Care Reform Debate on Sunday?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Ignorant? Does calling people names after your team loses always make you feel better?

    I would think that most of the right leaning people in the country believe that Health Care reform is now here to stay. I'd even hazard a guess that RightinNYC will agree with this.
    You declared this to be a new "right", when your demonstrably wrong. I was being generous in assuming you didn't know what a right really was, hence the use of the word ignorant. Your other two options would be that you are unable to understand the difference, in which case you would be stupid, or that you are intentionally mischarcterizing it as a right which would make you a liar. Your choice.

    This isn't meaningful health care reform, it's just giving the government another way to extract money and personal responsibility from the citizens. You may think that's a good thing, but I certainly don't. This is simply a bill, and bills can be changed or repealed.

    If you're concerned about Rightin NYC's opinion, I suggest you quote him and not me.

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    Actually, this WIN will probably add to, or even multiply, their power. The majority of the country will want to thank the Dems for their persistence in getting this bill passed.

    Could the Dems loose seats? Sure. It's the off year elections and that is normal. But, it doesn't always happen. Obama has fulfilled his #1 campaign promise and that will carry a lot of weight for his party in November.

    Even if the Repubs win both houses, the country would never allow them to repeal this bill. Watch and learn.
    I think once people realize what this is going to cost them in increased premiums, fines and rationed care, you're going to see support for your party decrease. 2010 isn't going to be a good year for Dems, and Obama may end up being just a one term president.

    Watch and learn.
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