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Which is the racist position?

Which is the racist position?


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oh, wow, you certainly are repressed, maybe i should list the times i got hassled by black people when i was walking to my then girlfriends house, simply because it was an area with a majority of black residents, or the time i was kept out of a section of the public library because there was a group of black people there, but i don't go calling that black elitism, nor do i apply it to the entire ethnic group, i just put it down to individual dickheads.

however, among whites, it's more wide-spread and germane.
 
I say following the request of a store manager is common sense.
There could have been a terrorist in the store targeting black people.

Why would a walmart store manager have that kind of information? I do not think the KKK would have the balls to walk into a walmart(cowards who wear sheets can't be that brave),which would probably be about the only way a walmart manager would know there are terrorist in the store.
 
Please.....
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Can we just go with the incarceration stats?.........:lol:

Does this mean that about 4 times as many blacks get punished for crimes in the US than whites? Given that blacks make up what 13% of the population, and whites make up 46%, that means there is a 30:2 ratio by population of blacks going to prison over whites. Seems the black community have a crime problem and I can't really be surprised that people have trust issues when they see black males.
 
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You know nothing about my mindset. Many blacks learn critical thinking but many do not (like there are many whites who do not). The attitude of rejecting a "white-man's education" is something that is strictly on the black side of the house and prevents many blacks from learning critical thinking.

Excuse me, but you know mine?
You do have a victimization viewpoint. You feel that opportunities are owed to you as a result of your race.

Prime example of "white privilege" on display. You can tell me about me, but I dare not tell you about you.

White man's education? I would imagine that many black doctors and physicists would laugh at the thought. Now you have your own "edu-ma-cation". The arrogance is galling.
I quit. I'm not going to mix it up any further with you, and incur an infraction.
Ignore.
 
Excuse me, but you know mine?


Prime example of "white privilege" on display. You can tell me about me, but I dare not tell you about you.

White man's education? I would imagine that many black doctors and physicists would laugh at the thought. Now you have your own "edu-ma-cation". The arrogance is galling.
I quit. I'm not going to mix it up any further with you, and incur an infraction.
Ignore.

:applaud .
 
Did I say that? I don't think so.

If you are at a comedy club and the context of you being there is to be entertained and to told humorous things, then you KNOW that what you are hearing is being told in jest. Takes the bite right out of the racist aspect of the comment. Context.

Here's a specific example:

1) Comedian at a comedy club: "Ah... Jews... gotta love those money-grubbing bastards".

2) Politician discussing his constituency: "Ah... Jews... gotta love those money-grubbing bastards".

3) CaptainCourtesy demonstrating the difference of contexts at Debate Poltiics: "Ah... Jews... gotta love those money-grubbing bastards".

Do you see the difference in contexts?

I generally agree with you, but that didn't work so well for Michael Richards.
 
First, mind answering my previous post to you. Interested to hear your counter.

What was that question?


Second, so are you suggesting that if someone does something...REGARDLESS OF THE CONTEXT...then they should never be upset if anyone else does the same thing, regardless of the context?
Is that what you're really saying?

Correct. Its like people who use the word nigger,nigga or some other form of the word or those who tolerate other people using that word and then bitch when someone else uses it. Those people are hypocrites and have no room to complain about others doing the same thing.
 
Does this mean that about 4 times as many blacks get punished for crimes in the US than whites? Given that blacks make up what 13% of the population, and whites make up 46%, that means there is a 30:2 ratio by population of blacks going to prison over whites. Seems the black community have a crime problem and I can't really be surprised that people have trust issues when they see black males.

I report....You decide.........:mrgreen:
 
What was that question?




Correct. Its like people who use the word nigger,nigga or some other form of the word or those who tolerate other people using that word and then bitch when someone else uses it. Those people are hypocrites and have no room to complain about others doing the same thing.

I don't use the word, and I don't condone the use of the word.
Non sequitur.
 
I don't use the word, and I don't condone the use of the word.
Non sequitur.

So you do not listen to a lot of rap music or watch black movies that have use the word, and the Boondocks?

just in case you do not know what the boondocks are.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B9QGrpdu5Y"]YouTube- Nigga Moment[/ame]


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jxtHzMOe1w"]YouTube- Dont Trust Them New Niggas Over There![/ame]
 
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What was that question?

Response to your questioning concerning walking up to a man on the street

I wouldn't go up to a random guy on the street and tell the following joke either:

What's the difference between a cadillac and a pile of dead babies

I don't have a Cadillac in my Garage.

I also wouldn't go up to a random girl on the street and ask her "Do you have a any italian in you" and when she says no ask her "Do you want some"

Does it mean those things are racist because I wouldn't go up to a random person on the street and say them? No, it means that jokes whose humor comes from being offensive are generally ACTUALLY offensive to a bad degree when made without any context, to complete strangers.

Hanging black people, in a general sense sans context, is not funny.

A pile of dead babies, in a general sense sans context, is not funny.

Propositioning a woman for sex, without any prior interaction, is generally not funny.

That doesn't mean that given a proper situations and context that they couldn't be funny.

Correct. Its like people who use the word nigger,nigga or some other form of the word or those who tolerate other people using that word and then bitch when someone else uses it. Those people are hypocrites and have no room to complain about others doing the same thing.

So if you've ever, in the vicinity of friends or as a joke, made lewd and completely crude comments or insinuation about a women then you should never be upset if someone comes up to your girlfriend/wife and goes "WOW, I'd love to **** you right now. Drop this guy and let me tear that ass up".

Cause you know, if you've ever done it in any context anywhere then its okay and you can't be mad about someone doing it in any context, anywhere.

So if you've ever punched a guy, no matter the context, you can never be upset if someone comes up and slugs you because as long as you've done something once, regardless of context, you can't be mad if someone else does it.

So if you've ever joked going something like "Gah, I'm an idiot" because you forgot something then its perfectly okay for anyone, at any time, to come up to you and tell you you're a ****ing idiot because you've said it once about yourself.

It goes on and on.

Somehow, I imagine you don't hold yourself and your world to the same standards that you hold race.
 
So you do not listen to a lot of rap music or watch black movies that have use the word, and the Boondocks?

just in case you do not know what the boondocks are.

I hate rap music, being a musician myself. So, no, I don't listen to it, if I can help it.
Black movies? That feature, exclusively, use of the n-word??? I would avoid it like the plague. And I don't read Boondocks.
I am elitist, sophisticated, and intellectual. In other words, "uppity".

I find it odd that you obviously do, identifying as very conservative. Somehow, there is a disconnect somewhere. Care to explain?
 
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Response to your questioning concerning walking up to a man on the street
I know the joke is racist regardless of context and would only tell my friends and family that joke regardless of their race.


So if you've ever, in the vicinity of friends or as a joke, made lewd and completely crude comments or insinuation about a women then you should never be upset if someone comes up to your girlfriend/wife and goes "WOW, I'd love to **** you right now. Drop this guy and let me tear that ass up".

I fail to see how trying t0 pick up another guy's chick right in front of that guy somehow the same thing as racism.
 
I know the joke is racist regardless of context and would only tell my friends and family that joke regardless of their race.

Right, and because you're tell it in such a place and context that it doesn't make the people there think you're a racist and/or doesn't offend them doesn't magically make it impossible for you to think its wrong to say it in other places.

I've laughed and told "Dead Baby Jokes" before. I would definitely have issues with someone who had no tact, and gave no context, who just went up to a new mother with her newborn in her arms and starts telling them. Why? Because context and audience matters when it comes to jokes.

I fail to see how trying t0 pick up another guy's chick right in front of that guy somehow the same thing as racism.

Doesn't matter that its the same as racism, its the same principle. If someone says "nigger" ever you're saying they can't be mad about someone else saying "Nigger" no matter the context. Using that exact same logic, if you every said "Wow, I'd **** the **** out of that girl" you're saying you can't be mad about someone else saying "Wow, I'd **** the **** out of [some girl]" no matter the context, even if they walked up to do it to your girlfriend.

It doesn't matter that racism isn't on the same level as crude comments towards women to you. What matters is the REASONING behind your LOGIC is the same in both situations. And yet you seem to be rejecting your own logic when it comes to something you WANT to have an issue with, but when it comes to Race you suddenly use that logic because it suits your hidden agenda.
 
I hate rap music, being a musician myself. So, no, I don't listen to it, if I can help it.
Black movies? That feature, exclusively, use of the n-word??? I would avoid it like the plague. And I don't read Boondocks.
I am elitist, sophisticated, and intellectual. In other words, "uppity".

At least you are consistent.

I find it odd that you obviously do, identifying as very conservative. Somehow, there is a disconnect somewhere. Care to explain?

Are you saying that conservatives can't enjoy a little rap, black movies,satire and other things?
 
Right, and because you're tell it in such a place and context that it doesn't make the people there think you're a racist and/or doesn't offend them doesn't magically make it impossible for you to think its wrong to say it in other places.

The joke it self is still racist it doesn't matter if it is a black guy or white guy who first told you the joke. The only reason you wouldn't tell the joke to a stranger is because he will assume that because you are telling a racist joke that you yourself are racist, not because they took the joke out of context.


Doesn't matter that its the same as racism, its the same principle. If someone says "nigger" ever you're saying they can't be mad about someone else saying "Nigger" no matter the context. Using that exact same logic, if you every said "Wow, I'd **** the **** out of that girl" you're saying you can't be mad about someone else saying "Wow, I'd **** the **** out of [some girl]" no matter the context, even if they walked up to do it to your girlfriend.

It doesn't matter that racism isn't on the same level as crude comments towards women to you. What matters is the REASONING behind your LOGIC is the same in both situations. And yet you seem to be rejecting your own logic when it comes to something you WANT to have an issue with, but when it comes to Race you suddenly use that logic because it suits your hidden agenda.

I think if someone came up to my girlfriend/wife and goes "WOW, I'd love to **** you right now. Drop this guy and let me tear that ass up". I would be pissed regardless who said it and why. So context does not matter.
 
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the joke it self is still racist it doesn't matter if it is a black guy or white guy who first told you the joke.

Its a RACIAL joke, in my mind, not a racist joke. It concerns race, however it doesn't inherently suggest there should be prejudice towards a particular race or that one race is more superior/inferior. The person saying it CAN be racist, its INTENT, can be racist, but its not magically "racist" because it deals with racism or uses a term that is often used with racism.

Its a Racial joke that deals with Racism. You could have two different people telling that joke to two different groups and likely get laughs for ENTIRELY different ways, which just shows how jokes are not always the same no matter context.

Get a black guy saying that joke to a few of his black friends discussing, say, how suddenly its "cool" for some White People to act like they're all about Civil Rights by supporting Obama. The person says the line as a way to jokingly insinuate that many of the people supporting Obama were people who still harbor racist views but just try to hide it. They all laugh at the joke out of the notion satire of white culture and hidden racism.

Get a white guy talking with some of his friends while out fishing saying how he can't stand this new nigger in the office that is constantly playing his stupid rap music and has the audacity to be dating a white woman. One of them takes that as a perfect opportunity to tell his new joke and they all laugh at the notion of hanging a nigger in a tree.

Finally take a college aged kid, also white. He's with a bunch of friends of mixed races, sexes, orientations, and religions hanging out in the dorm and drinking a little bit. They've all began telling jokes to each other, basically moving farther and farther into offensive, raunchy jokes as they all try to top each others reaction. One girl just finished telling a rather lewd dumb blonde joke, the next was a dead baby joke, and his jewish friend just busted out the "What do you tell a black jew" joke. The college kid then comes out with the Hallmark joke. Everyone laughs and jeers, acknowledging the shocking offensiveness of it delivered with humorous intent.

All three of those situations uses the exact same joke. All three of them have entirely different context, with the individuals telling it and laughing at it doing it for various reasons. In one case its based on irony/hypocrisy, in one its based on racism, in one its based on offensiveness.

I think if someone came up to my girlfriend/wife and goes "WOW, I'd love to **** you right now. Drop this guy and let me tear that ass up". I would be pissed regardless who said it and why. So context does not matter.

Really? Regardless?

So if some jackass had done something like that the other day and pissed your girlfriend/wife off, so the next day at the bar your wife's sister or friend comes up and says it in a manner that's jokingly mocking the story from the previous day, you'd be pissed?

So if you're out with your wife/girlfriend and she's dressed to kill and a good friend of yours who is happily married comes up and says it in a joking manner, trying to get a rise out of you and causing her to laugh at the insincerity of it, you'd get pissed over that?

Which still, doesn't even TOUCH your previous logic....which is that if you've EVER said something lewd about a girl in ANY context you would have no right to be pissed if someone did that to your girlfriend, because you've done it before.
 
Excuse me, but you know that is not true. All minorities don't have equality of opportunity, hence contingency plans exist (i.e. Affirmative Action, ACLU, due process, etc...). Congress doesn't have one black Republican senator or representative.Are you denying that "white privilege" exists, and that whites don't use it to their clear advantage?

UCCS | WPC knapsack

FOXNews.com - Tea Party Leader, GOP Condemn Racial Slurs Hurled at Black Lawmakers

Ya might want to do a little research.....:lol:
 
1069 is a little screwed up in the head.

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I'm not even participating in this thread; hadn't even viewed it until now.
It is interesting to me that these sorts of entirely unwarranted attacks are permitted to stand, in a thread where moderators are actively involved.

I find it rather telling that only one person thanked this unprovoked attack, and that was Dark Wizard. I'd be embarrassed if he thanked one of my posts. You should be too.

Who are you, anyway? Do I know you?
I've never even heard of you before... or perhaps you're simply so irrelevant that I can't recall.

:confused:
 
By going into an upscale resale shop, and being "eyed down", like I'm going to steal something. Being told by the salesclerk not to "run through any bushes", in my DKNY jacket, out the clear blue sky. When riding a bus, and an outside seat becomes available, and the overweight white guy, moves to occupy 2 seats so that I can't sit down, though laden with packages.
Or, standing at a bus stop, and 2 little white ladies pull up in a late model Benz, and upon seeing me, in suit and tie, lock their doors and roll up their windows. I could go on and on...most of the time, I breathe a heavy sigh and roll my eyes. "Unless I give it to them"???? You have no idea what you're talking about.

Even Barack Obama spoke at length of experiencing these types of things in his excellent autobiography, Dreams from my Father.
For him, I think it was even more jarring, because he was unaware of how society viewed people of his skin color until he got into his teens. Before that, his family conspired to shelter him from it.
One of the most difficult experiences for him was realizing that his own grandmother, who raised him, was fearful of blacks- not him, of course; other ones.
It is painful to read about these sorts of things.
 
At least you are consistent.



Are you saying that conservatives can't enjoy a little rap, black movies,satire and other things?

I'm not saying that at all. I just find it odd. Kinda like whites who would go to minstrel shows and The Cotton Club, but would never be caught speaking to a black person walking down the street. Kinda hypocritical.
 
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The poll questions are not racist. One is more ignorant than the other, but not racist.
 
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