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  • Black folks are victims. We ought to make such talk illegal. The black folks should be compensated.

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Thread: Which is the racist position?

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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I am uninterested in what OTHERS think, when discussing what I think. To me, context is what matters. If someone takes offense at a white comedian telling a joke about blacks, then, for me, they are not getting the context, and my opinion of them would be that they are playing the victim.

    I also think that most folks who understand context would feel similarly to me, though their millage may vary to some extent.

    We weren't talking about your personal standards, we were talking about societal standards, obviously.

    Society has a double standard regarding humor aimed at blacks by whites...

    ...vs humor aimed at whites by blacks.

    Context isn't the primary issue in society, which race is the butt of the joke is.

    Do you disagree with this statement?

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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We weren't talking about your personal standards, we were talking about societal standards, obviously.

    Society has a double standard regarding humor aimed at blacks by whites...

    ...vs humor aimed at whites by blacks.

    Context isn't the primary issue in society, which race is the butt of the joke is.

    Do you disagree with this statement?
    In the specific scenario that you just presented above, I think it would depend on two factors. To a lesser extent, context, to a greater extent the person hearing the comment.
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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why would the context it be inappropriate? Is it because the joke is racist?
    Context is ALWAYS important.
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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Context is ALWAYS important.
    That still does not say why you wouldn't tell some random black on the street that joke. Why would you not tell the joke to some random black guy on the street?
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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    In the specific scenario that you just presented above, I think it would depend on two factors. To a lesser extent, context, to a greater extent the person hearing the comment.

    Yes, the person hearing the comment...

    That joke would go over well at a KKK meeting, I expect.

    In a more random gathering of all-white people, some would laugh, some would chuckle nervously, some would be royally pissed and the joke-teller would not be invited to the next block-party.


    If told in a comedy club with cameras rolling and a random crowd, it would be front-page news tomorrow. If the joke-teller was a comedian of any great standing, he would be ripped by every commentator on TV for the next two weeks. Rehab would be suggested. Sensitivity camp would be demanded. His career would be over. The President himself would probably comment to the press. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would have a field day.

    Yet Spike Lee can say that Charleton Heston needs to be shot with a .44, and that's perfectly fine.
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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Being offended does not make you a victim.
    That's probably true in a literal sense, but it may be that being easily offended denotes a victim mentality, in which case you are a victim in your own mind, which is the worst place victim status can occur.
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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That still does not say why you wouldn't tell some random black on the street that joke.
    Because the context of the situation is different than if I were to tell a black friend, for example, the same thing.
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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That still does not say why you wouldn't tell some random black on the street that joke.
    How so?

    In the context of you walking up to some random black person on some random street and telling them a racist joke...

    It would be a bad idea.

    And also a racist-ish move.

    In bad taste.

    A faux paux, perhaps, depending on your own tendencies towards racism.

    Full blown racism, depending on your own tendencies towards racism and your intention in telling it (to be racist, or to tell a joke).

    And probably some other things.

    Edit:
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Because the context of the situation is different than if I were to tell a black friend, for example, the same thing.
    And this.

    Much more concise, I must say.
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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Because the context of the situation is different than if I were to tell a black friend, for example, the same thing.
    Why wouldn't you tell the joke to some random black guy on the street?
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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why wouldn't you tell the joke to some random black guy on the street?
    Because, depending on the street, you don't have a death wish.
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