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  • They have character. They want no ones pity. They are not victims.

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  • Black folks are victims. We ought to make such talk illegal. The black folks should be compensated.

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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I know the joke is racist regardless of context and would only tell my friends and family that joke regardless of their race.
    Right, and because you're tell it in such a place and context that it doesn't make the people there think you're a racist and/or doesn't offend them doesn't magically make it impossible for you to think its wrong to say it in other places.

    I've laughed and told "Dead Baby Jokes" before. I would definitely have issues with someone who had no tact, and gave no context, who just went up to a new mother with her newborn in her arms and starts telling them. Why? Because context and audience matters when it comes to jokes.

    I fail to see how trying t0 pick up another guy's chick right in front of that guy somehow the same thing as racism.
    Doesn't matter that its the same as racism, its the same principle. If someone says "nigger" ever you're saying they can't be mad about someone else saying "Nigger" no matter the context. Using that exact same logic, if you every said "Wow, I'd **** the **** out of that girl" you're saying you can't be mad about someone else saying "Wow, I'd **** the **** out of [some girl]" no matter the context, even if they walked up to do it to your girlfriend.

    It doesn't matter that racism isn't on the same level as crude comments towards women to you. What matters is the REASONING behind your LOGIC is the same in both situations. And yet you seem to be rejecting your own logic when it comes to something you WANT to have an issue with, but when it comes to Race you suddenly use that logic because it suits your hidden agenda.

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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    I hate rap music, being a musician myself. So, no, I don't listen to it, if I can help it.
    Black movies? That feature, exclusively, use of the n-word??? I would avoid it like the plague. And I don't read Boondocks.
    I am elitist, sophisticated, and intellectual. In other words, "uppity".
    At least you are consistent.

    I find it odd that you obviously do, identifying as very conservative. Somehow, there is a disconnect somewhere. Care to explain?
    Are you saying that conservatives can't enjoy a little rap, black movies,satire and other things?
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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Right, and because you're tell it in such a place and context that it doesn't make the people there think you're a racist and/or doesn't offend them doesn't magically make it impossible for you to think its wrong to say it in other places.
    The joke it self is still racist it doesn't matter if it is a black guy or white guy who first told you the joke. The only reason you wouldn't tell the joke to a stranger is because he will assume that because you are telling a racist joke that you yourself are racist, not because they took the joke out of context.




    Doesn't matter that its the same as racism, its the same principle. If someone says "nigger" ever you're saying they can't be mad about someone else saying "Nigger" no matter the context. Using that exact same logic, if you every said "Wow, I'd **** the **** out of that girl" you're saying you can't be mad about someone else saying "Wow, I'd **** the **** out of [some girl]" no matter the context, even if they walked up to do it to your girlfriend.

    It doesn't matter that racism isn't on the same level as crude comments towards women to you. What matters is the REASONING behind your LOGIC is the same in both situations. And yet you seem to be rejecting your own logic when it comes to something you WANT to have an issue with, but when it comes to Race you suddenly use that logic because it suits your hidden agenda.
    I think if someone came up to my girlfriend/wife and goes "WOW, I'd love to **** you right now. Drop this guy and let me tear that ass up". I would be pissed regardless who said it and why. So context does not matter.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    the joke it self is still racist it doesn't matter if it is a black guy or white guy who first told you the joke.
    Its a RACIAL joke, in my mind, not a racist joke. It concerns race, however it doesn't inherently suggest there should be prejudice towards a particular race or that one race is more superior/inferior. The person saying it CAN be racist, its INTENT, can be racist, but its not magically "racist" because it deals with racism or uses a term that is often used with racism.

    Its a Racial joke that deals with Racism. You could have two different people telling that joke to two different groups and likely get laughs for ENTIRELY different ways, which just shows how jokes are not always the same no matter context.

    Get a black guy saying that joke to a few of his black friends discussing, say, how suddenly its "cool" for some White People to act like they're all about Civil Rights by supporting Obama. The person says the line as a way to jokingly insinuate that many of the people supporting Obama were people who still harbor racist views but just try to hide it. They all laugh at the joke out of the notion satire of white culture and hidden racism.

    Get a white guy talking with some of his friends while out fishing saying how he can't stand this new nigger in the office that is constantly playing his stupid rap music and has the audacity to be dating a white woman. One of them takes that as a perfect opportunity to tell his new joke and they all laugh at the notion of hanging a nigger in a tree.

    Finally take a college aged kid, also white. He's with a bunch of friends of mixed races, sexes, orientations, and religions hanging out in the dorm and drinking a little bit. They've all began telling jokes to each other, basically moving farther and farther into offensive, raunchy jokes as they all try to top each others reaction. One girl just finished telling a rather lewd dumb blonde joke, the next was a dead baby joke, and his jewish friend just busted out the "What do you tell a black jew" joke. The college kid then comes out with the Hallmark joke. Everyone laughs and jeers, acknowledging the shocking offensiveness of it delivered with humorous intent.

    All three of those situations uses the exact same joke. All three of them have entirely different context, with the individuals telling it and laughing at it doing it for various reasons. In one case its based on irony/hypocrisy, in one its based on racism, in one its based on offensiveness.

    I think if someone came up to my girlfriend/wife and goes "WOW, I'd love to **** you right now. Drop this guy and let me tear that ass up". I would be pissed regardless who said it and why. So context does not matter.
    Really? Regardless?

    So if some jackass had done something like that the other day and pissed your girlfriend/wife off, so the next day at the bar your wife's sister or friend comes up and says it in a manner that's jokingly mocking the story from the previous day, you'd be pissed?

    So if you're out with your wife/girlfriend and she's dressed to kill and a good friend of yours who is happily married comes up and says it in a joking manner, trying to get a rise out of you and causing her to laugh at the insincerity of it, you'd get pissed over that?

    Which still, doesn't even TOUCH your previous logic....which is that if you've EVER said something lewd about a girl in ANY context you would have no right to be pissed if someone did that to your girlfriend, because you've done it before.

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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    Excuse me, but you know that is not true. All minorities don't have equality of opportunity, hence contingency plans exist (i.e. Affirmative Action, ACLU, due process, etc...). Congress doesn't have one black Republican senator or representative.Are you denying that "white privilege" exists, and that whites don't use it to their clear advantage?

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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    1069 is a little screwed up in the head.

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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    By going into an upscale resale shop, and being "eyed down", like I'm going to steal something. Being told by the salesclerk not to "run through any bushes", in my DKNY jacket, out the clear blue sky. When riding a bus, and an outside seat becomes available, and the overweight white guy, moves to occupy 2 seats so that I can't sit down, though laden with packages.
    Or, standing at a bus stop, and 2 little white ladies pull up in a late model Benz, and upon seeing me, in suit and tie, lock their doors and roll up their windows. I could go on and on...most of the time, I breathe a heavy sigh and roll my eyes. "Unless I give it to them"???? You have no idea what you're talking about.
    Even Barack Obama spoke at length of experiencing these types of things in his excellent autobiography, Dreams from my Father.
    For him, I think it was even more jarring, because he was unaware of how society viewed people of his skin color until he got into his teens. Before that, his family conspired to shelter him from it.
    One of the most difficult experiences for him was realizing that his own grandmother, who raised him, was fearful of blacks- not him, of course; other ones.
    It is painful to read about these sorts of things.

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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    At least you are consistent.



    Are you saying that conservatives can't enjoy a little rap, black movies,satire and other things?
    I'm not saying that at all. I just find it odd. Kinda like whites who would go to minstrel shows and The Cotton Club, but would never be caught speaking to a black person walking down the street. Kinda hypocritical.

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    Re: Which is the racist position?

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    Re: Which is the racist position?

    The poll questions are not racist. One is more ignorant than the other, but not racist.
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