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a draft wouldn't work too well these days because....

with the DADT policy, one can claim gayness to get out of it

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  • i disagree, tell why if you want to

    Votes: 5 38.5%

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been reading threads about this don't ask don't tell policy and thought I'd post a poll
 
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If it became haute couture to claim fruity, the Armed Forces would pick up on it and eventually investigate. You should interview for a civilian job on a military site someday. They don't just look at your resume. They go through your life and past with a fine-toothed comb. If you threw up on stage while playing the Scarecrow in your sixth grade recital of The Wizard of Oz, they know about it. One or two phone calls to a relative or friend will quickly dispel the myth that you're unable to serve because you enjoy the taste of pillow.

Don't mess with Uncle Sam, especially the part of him that carries a rifle.
 
If it became haute couture to claim fruity, the Armed Forces would pick up on it and eventually investigate. You should interview for a civilian job on a military site someday. They don't just look at your resume. They go through your life and past with a fine-toothed comb. If you threw up on stage while playing the Scarecrow in your sixth grade recital of The Wizard of Oz, they know about it. One or two phone calls to a relative or friend will quickly dispel the myth that you're unable to serve because you enjoy the taste of pillow.

Don't mess with Uncle Sam, especially the part of him that carries a rifle.

This would require completely rewriting the DADT policy. I did not know this until a few days ago, but even when a soldier is outed by some one else, and denies the accuracy, the military by it's regulations cannot investigate whether the soldier is gay, only if the outing report is accurate. I can go into some more detail if you are interested, but it is the truth. The military cannot, under any circumstances, investigate a soldiers sexual orientation. The military can ask "did you say you where gay?", but not "are you gay?", even while investigating the person for discharge under DADT.

Also, it is fairly common now for those wanting a quick easy discharge to tell some one in their command "I am gay". Instant, easy honorable discharge with no penalties.
 
hmmm quite interesting, from both posts
 
Well, if that's so, I don't see any problem with them rewriting the law that allows them to delve a little further, especially if it's to uncover the truth. DADT is a semi-hot button issue right now, so it could easily cross a Congressional desk and not even raise an ire.

This is also on my assumption that the "fake self-outing" is pretty rare, and that in the OPs scenario it becomes quite common.
 
Well, if that's so, I don't see any problem with them rewriting the law that allows them to delve a little further, especially if it's to uncover the truth. DADT is a semi-hot button issue right now, so it could easily cross a Congressional desk and not even raise an ire.

This is also on my assumption that the "fake self-outing" is pretty rare, and that in the OPs scenario it becomes quite common.

The DADT issue is going the other way right now though, towards allowing gays to serve openly, not towards looking for gay people.

It is fairly common in the military right now. We have a poster here on these boards who used it to get out.
 
People in general(their initial emotion) find homosexuality to be disgusting and repulsive - the very idea - ugh. And today, this is so damned overplayed.
Lets just keep DADT and force everyone to heed this...


Then they relax, look around and see that things are not so bad as imagined, that these people are 99.999% identical to us..Children in particular handle this well.
Ignorance and fear do not.

And, in a way, other than being where we should not be, and other than having obsolete laws on the books, we are at peace (at least some of us are:rofl).

There will never be peace for those who do not want it.

So, no need for a draft.
Also, why is it that only men must register for "selective services - something like that"..
But not women???
Strange, with all this equal-rights..
 
I think it would not be to bad. I think allot of young people with nothing to do would get something out of it.

Serve your country, at gun point if necessary.
 
The military has effectively labeled homosexuality a disability which makes people unfit to serve. If it pushed for a draft tomorrow and people claimed homosexuality to get off the hook, the military would only have itself to blame.
 
I think it would not be to bad. I think allot of young people with nothing to do would get something out of it.

Serve your country, at gun point if necessary.

To an extent I kinda agree with this. I have long supported the concept of a mandatory national service for 2 years at age 18. The military would only be one option for such service, but I do think it would do a lot of good for our young people. The downside is that such a proposal is right now unfeasible, but I do like the concept.
 
I think it would not be to bad. I think allot of young people with nothing to do would get something out of it.

Serve your country, at gun point if necessary.
Not a bad idea, at all...
As far as DADT goes, I cannot see the problem.
The prospective recruit say " I am a homosexual"
The recruiter say " I did not hear you".
The man in the line repeats ...
the Recruiter repeats....
Next, the recruit is in the Army, doing KP and crying the blues.
tough and too dammed bad.
 
Not a bad idea, at all...
As far as DADT goes, I cannot see the problem.
The prospective recruit say " I am a homosexual"
The recruiter say " I did not hear you".
The man in the line repeats ...
the Recruiter repeats....
Next, the recruit is in the Army, doing KP and crying the blues.
tough and too dammed bad.

LOL!

The thing about DADT is it really is not. It should be called "we don't know, but if for any reason we find out you are gay, you are gone."
 
It could go either way, the chickenhawks who want war with Iran but of course dont have the spine to actually get in the sands will certainly use it to their advantage.
 
quite an interesting discussion :) what's "KP" though? kill points?
 
It could go either way, the chickenhawks who want war with Iran but of course dont have the spine to actually get in the sands will certainly use it to their advantage.

No such thing as a "chicken hawk" as not everyone can join the military and not everyone should.

Take the partisan crap home with you.

Thanks for playing.
 
One could claim "gayness" to get out of it even during the last draft; the Vietnam one. Some did.
 
ahh cool, didn't know that

(wasn't sure just how new this DADT policy is)
 
ahh cool, didn't know that

(wasn't sure just how new this DADT policy is)

DADT is fairly recent (Clinton Era).
Before that, homosexuals simply weren't welcome in the military. Ostensibly speaking. Whether they told or not.
 
Sounds like fascism to me.

"Main Entry: fas·cism

Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\

Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces

Date: 1921
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
" - Fascism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Not even close.

Then you need to listen to the correct sound. :mrgreen:
 
??? at blackdog

now i'm just confused
 
??? at blackdog

now i'm just confused

A draft in itself is not fascism, although it could be one aspect of a fascist movement or government. It would be like saying "selling potato's is democracy!"

People throw around words like this to add weight or imply someone or something is so wrong it is like being a Nazi or fascist. It is to the point of stupid.

So I am pointing it out.
 
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ahhh ok thanks blackdog

i thought maybe pal was referring to the "at gunpoint" part when he said fascism.

"I think it would not be to bad. I think allot of young people with nothing to do would get something out of it.

Serve your country, at gun point if necessary."
 
A draft in itself is not fascism, although it could be one aspect of a fascist movement or government. It would be like saying "selling potato's is democracy!"

People throw around words like this to add weight or imply someone or something is so wrong it likes being a Nazi or fascist. It is to the point of stupid.

So I am pointing it out.

It was the second part of your post that brought me to my conclusion. I don't think the US government should be in the business of pointing guns at citizens as a method of persuading them to do something. I wouldn't call a draft fascist per se, but I would call what you said fascist for sure.
 
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