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    Re: Who is the next superpower?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Europe doesn't have a need for it anyway. This was shown in your own country when they strayed from the path set about by Aznar and (mistakingly, in my eyes) started following the Zap-man. It almost seems as if any time a European country starts a bit of an ascencion to the top, they topple it over with a misinformed decision. England probably thought they were invincible during reigning Thatcherism, even though her conservative view on labor laws were abruptly derailed by general populace belief in unions and how they're some sort of save-all to the downtrodden.

    The whole continent has a "don't rock the boat" mentality, even if rocking benefits them. They seem to follow the Japanese philosophy of "the tallest nail gets hammered first". If any government in Europe shed that idea and actually started to free-market their way to greatness, you'd see a military starting to form, and rightfully so.
    Not sure where to start really. I'll start at the end. "If any government in Europe shed that idea and actually started to free-market their way to greatness, you'd see a military starting to form, and rightfully so."

    What is "rightfully so" about forming a military? Every European nation has one. What do you mean by this? Do you mean becoming militarily aggressive? Asserting the nation's 'success' through show of arms? If so, that's nonsense.

    The only thing in your post I can agree with is, "Europe doesn't have a need for it anyway." That's right. How does being a "superpower" benefit anyone? To what extent is it benefitting the US being involved in so many global interventions?

    I see the neo-con ideological point of "exporting democracy" as just that, an ideological mission to extend to other nations (however selected) the idea of a pluralist, representative democracy that they would have no possibility of achieving if left to their own devices. The intention is not all bad, although naïve. What I think you are missing entirely is that many (or most) European nations do not have that ideological drive to convert. It might be insular or isolationist not to have that, but history has knocked that out of them.

    I don't subscribe to your "tall poppy" theory. It doesn't apply to Spain's withdrawal from Iraq, or indeed any other political development I'm aware of. Spain's rejection of Aznar and the PP was a result of the clear and proven deception that they attempted in the aftermath of 11M to pin the terrorist attacks on ETA. They lied to the Spanish people and were caught out in that lie. They also lied about the reasons for entering into the Iraq war in the same way Bush and Blair lied to their people too. The Spanish people, God bless them, rejected the ETA lies and the WMD lies and kicked his ass.
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    Re: Who is the next superpower?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    Who do you think would be the next superpower to replace or challenge the United States?


    * Assuming it someday becomes integrated more like an actual country.
    I say Europe is a superpower and definetely is challenging and replacing the US already. China is likely to join a trio eventually, where the power of the US will fade more and more. Russia ofcourse will be the fourth. A fight superpower is more likely to be Brazil than India in my opinion.

    But...

    Better question is...

    Which countries will be/remain full dimensional superpowers in 2030?
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    Re: Who is the next superpower?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Were the US to attempt to interfere in what Russia or China view as their "spheres of influence" the response would be severe.
    While the US is ruining its image around the world(this is IMO the greatest decrease in US power), China is trying their very best to improve their image. China avoids conflict and confrontation at any cost... Russia just stays "savage", they dont care..
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    Re: Who is the next superpower?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I say Europe is a superpower
    Also Europe is the only state which is intentionally building a superpower from scratch, and the only one to ever do so. And it has all the experience of all previous superpowers to draw from.

    I would be surprised if Europes rise to superpower would even slow down, rather than keep accelerating indefinetely.
    Not all people like this, many view it as a "political elite" project, an unstoppable force towards a super state.
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    Re: Who is the next superpower?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Also Europe is the only state which is intentionally building a superpower from scratch, and the only one to ever do so. And it has all the experience of all previous superpowers to draw from.

    I would be surprised if Europes rise to superpower would even slow down, rather than keep accelerating indefinetely.
    Not all people like this, many view it as a "political elite" project, an unstoppable force towards a super state.
    Europe has united quite a bit since World War II, but it isn't a state, at least not yet.
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    Re: Who is the next superpower?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Also Europe is the only state which is intentionally building a superpower from scratch, and the only one to ever do so. And it has all the experience of all previous superpowers to draw from.
    However, there are existing superpowers that it must rival against, so a unified Europe will be the low man on the totem pole trying to become king of the mountain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I would be surprised if Europes rise to superpower would even slow down, rather than keep accelerating indefinetely.
    Not all people like this, many view it as a "political elite" project, an unstoppable force towards a super state.
    I think the world economic recession is slowing every nations' rise quite a bit.

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    Re: Who is the next superpower?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    China or India. Europe and the EU are a joke, when they start learning how to defend themselves without us then maybe we start talking about superpower status.
    Defend themselves against what?
    The days of military land grabs are over, just ask Israel or Iraq..
    The super-power criteria is now economic, with Japan and Germany in the lead, as I see it. But with India, China, and Korea competing, this will split things a lot..

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    Re: Who is the next superpower?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Also Europe is the only state which is intentionally building a superpower from scratch, and the only one to ever do so. And it has all the experience of all previous superpowers to draw from.

    I would be surprised if Europes rise to superpower would even slow down, rather than keep accelerating indefinetely.
    Not all people like this, many view it as a "political elite" project, an unstoppable force towards a super state.
    You'd better define Superpower, because I'm certainly not seeing any march towards introducing a military element into the EU project, not at all. Nor even any enthusiasm for action resembling state-hood. What are you seeing from over there that we are missing over here?
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    Re: Who is the next superpower?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Defend themselves against what?
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    Re: Who is the next superpower?

    China obviously, now if we had only followed MacArthurs plan............


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