View Poll Results: Which would you support its use for

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  • To ban gay marriage

    3 10.71%
  • To change domestic drilling and refining rules, including ANWR

    4 14.29%
  • To create a fence across the southern border and start a massive deportation effort

    3 10.71%
  • To remove Welfare

    6 21.43%
  • To remove this Health Care Reform if it passes

    10 35.71%
  • To create a school voucher system

    4 14.29%
  • None of the Above

    19 67.86%
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Thread: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Interesting point. I thought Bush would destroy the republican brand for a generation. It looks like they figured that out and are repackageing themselves through the tea party.

    The Tea party is real grass roots, the Republicans had nothing to do with it besides trying to jump on the band wagon.

    Barry, Harry, and Nancy are single handedly, with no help from the Republicans or the Tea party, making people nostalgic for Bush (or as I always called him, Shrubya).

    Don't try to blame Bush, or "the party of no", or Fox News, or your Great Aunt Ester......... The Dems have destroyed their party by their own greed, but what else is new?
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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    The Tea party is real grass roots, the Republicans had nothing to do with it besides trying to jump on the band wagon.

    Barry, Harry, and Nancy are single handedly, with no help from the Republicans or the Tea party, making people nostalgic for Bush (or as I always called him, Shrubya).

    Don't try to blame Bush, or "the party of no", or Fox News, or your Great Aunt Ester......... The Dems have destroyed their party by their own greed, but what else is new?
    You sincerely believe there is no relationship between the Tea Party and the Republicans? Okay.

    Also, I have a hard time believing the Democrats won't perform well in another election ever again. So in what sense their party has been 'destroyed' eludes me.
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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Do what?

    Government in action is government in action. If one group is in charge than another isn't going to be happy with it. That's how democracy works, and saying one side is ramming stuff down throats is ignoring that those people were lawfully elected. I agree with Redress, if the rules are there than use them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I would argue with the Karma, but if the rules are in place, then it's not some crime to use those rules. That has to go both ways.
    I'm eagerly awaiting your two votes then for all a number of the above things, as a number of them can be arguably cast as a "budgetary" measure as much as the Health Care Reform bill is.

    Increased domestic jobs through less regulations on drilling and refining, coupled with less money being sent overseas, create a boon for the economy that increases revenues and reduces the deficit... theoretically.

    Fencing off the boarder and mass deportation theoretically makes less illegals coming into the country and then utilizing public programs and avoiding income taxes while taking Americans jobs and sending that money over seas, thus increasing the economy and driving down the deficit...theoretically.

    Same for pretty much all of them but Gay Marriage; all can be tied to budgetary things as much as this health care bill is.

    I'm eager to see you vote to back up your statements.

    Also eager to see the likes of nojingo, disney, adk, and others that are pushing hard for reconciliation to voice their opinions here but that's yet to be seen it seems.

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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm eagerly awaiting your two votes then for all a number of the above things, as a number of them can be arguably cast as a "budgetary" measure as much as the Health Care Reform bill is.

    Increased domestic jobs through less regulations on drilling and refining, coupled with less money being sent overseas, create a boon for the economy that increases revenues and reduces the deficit... theoretically.

    Fencing off the boarder and mass deportation theoretically makes less illegals coming into the country and then utilizing public programs and avoiding income taxes while taking Americans jobs and sending that money over seas, thus increasing the economy and driving down the deficit...theoretically.

    Same for pretty much all of them but Gay Marriage; all can be tied to budgetary things as much as this health care bill is.

    I'm eager to see you vote to back up your statements.

    Also eager to see the likes of nojingo, disney, adk, and others that are pushing hard for reconciliation to voice their opinions here but that's yet to be seen it seems.
    Can you link to the rules involved in reconciliation so I can make informed choices?

    Edited to add: .8---Zyphlin knows what it means.
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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm eagerly awaiting your two votes then for all a number of the above things, as a number of them can be arguably cast as a "budgetary" measure as much as the Health Care Reform bill is.

    Increased domestic jobs through less regulations on drilling and refining, coupled with less money being sent overseas, create a boon for the economy that increases revenues and reduces the deficit... theoretically.

    Fencing off the boarder and mass deportation theoretically makes less illegals coming into the country and then utilizing public programs and avoiding income taxes while taking Americans jobs and sending that money over seas, thus increasing the economy and driving down the deficit...theoretically.

    Same for pretty much all of them but Gay Marriage; all can be tied to budgetary things as much as this health care bill is.

    I'm eager to see you vote to back up your statements.

    Also eager to see the likes of nojingo, disney, adk, and others that are pushing hard for reconciliation to voice their opinions here but that's yet to be seen it seems.
    Reading the wiki on it(something I probably should have done before now), this is a general outline of the rules as I understand them. Please check them for accuracy for me:

    It is designed to allow passage of budgetary bills without needing 60 votes(oversimplification, but basically true).

    A budgetary bill for this purpose is one that changes revenue and spending amounts.

    The Byrd rule calls for it to be used only on bills that do not increase the deficit after 10 years.

    I think that is the basics of it as I understand it. Based on that, it can be used, legally, on any bill that fits within those criteria(plus some parliamentary stuff involved). This is true whether I like the bill or not. I will wait for some one to confirm or correct my understanding before I vote in the poll, but as it is not, I would say any of those, assuming the bill itself fits the above criteria. The gay marriage one would be very hard to justify withing those criteria, the rest probably could be designed to fit within the rules as I understand it.
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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Come 2012 with the Republicans in control of both houses and the Presidency, look out Dems.... It will be our turn to repeal everything you did and ram our agenda down your throats.

    Think you will like that? If not you had better get on the phone and let your Congress Critters know how you feel about it.

    Karma:

    It's not some mystical force that balances right and wrong.

    It's what happens when you piss someone off bad enough so that they come after you.
    If you think Republicans are going to overturn anything the Dems pass till they're in the majority, you're delusional.
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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you think Republicans are going to overturn anything the Dems pass till they're in the majority, you're delusional.
    If you think you can go through that door before you get to it, you're delusional.........

    That made as much sense as what you wrote, so don't blame me.
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