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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I've seen you do this one before, and you've been called on it.

    So what did Boooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhh ram down anyones throat? Include links please.
    Do what?

    Government in action is government in action. If one group is in charge than another isn't going to be happy with it. That's how democracy works, and saying one side is ramming stuff down throats is ignoring that those people were lawfully elected. I agree with Redress, if the rules are there than use them.

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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    So the 8 years of Bush ramming crap down our throats don't count? If Karma existed, you would think it would work the other way.
    Originally Posted by Crunch
    I've seen you do this one before, and you've been called on it.

    So what did Boooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhh ram down anyones throat? Include links please.
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    Do what?

    Government in action is government in action. If one group is in charge than another isn't going to be happy with it. That's how democracy works, and saying one side is ramming stuff down throats is ignoring that those people were lawfully elected. I agree with Redress, if the rules are there than use them.
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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Do what?

    Government in action is government in action. If one group is in charge than another isn't going to be happy with it. That's how democracy works, and saying one side is ramming stuff down throats is ignoring that those people were lawfully elected. I agree with Redress, if the rules are there than use them.
    Let's start with this so I do not get incorrect blowback. I was ticked when the last administration used reconciliation and when the Republican congress wanted to use the " nuclear option" to get their judges approved.

    If people think that things are screwed up in Washington now, wait till you have the fronges of either party passing legislation with a 51-49 vote in the senate. No individual piece of legislation is worth the destruction that will happen if this gets rammed through.

    I put this together with the reckless spending of the last 20 years in this country. Immediate gratification is more important than the the long term health of the country. If the generation of WWII was the best generation, this period may go down as what took America off it's perch.

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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    So that was a false statement? Noted.
    You have no reading comprehension. Noted. I never said that reconciliation was ramming anything, I was merely pointing out that in someone's bias, they assume legislation they don't agree with is ramming something down someone's throats. Nice try though.

    Personally I feel the fillabuster does more harm than good because the neither parties are interested in compromise. Now please look at what I am actually saying and not what you think I am.

    I do not care what Bush did or didn't do. My point is that we are too far apart and legislation needs to pass so this country can address problems. If the fillabuster is getting in the way, than we should do away with it.
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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Let's start with this so I do not get incorrect blowback. I was ticked when the last administration used reconciliation and when the Republican congress wanted to use the " nuclear option" to get their judges approved.

    If people think that things are screwed up in Washington now, wait till you have the fronges of either party passing legislation with a 51-49 vote in the senate. No individual piece of legislation is worth the destruction that will happen if this gets rammed through.

    I put this together with the reckless spending of the last 20 years in this country. Immediate gratification is more important than the the long term health of the country. If the generation of WWII was the best generation, this period may go down as what took America off it's perch.
    Personally I think the increasing emphasis on fillabuster that has been growing, out of necessity, is harming out nation. I used to believe that it was a necessary check to allow moderation to take place but since neither side seems interested in that, than we should get rid of it to get least get some legislation passed or else our country will be hamstrung and be unable to address new problems. I think in an earlier post Crunch assumed I was referring to republicans doing something like the dems are doing, and they aren't. Honestly though, I now think we should get of the rule because its obvious it is doing more harm than good

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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Simply put, no.
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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    You have no reading comprehension. Noted. I never said that reconciliation was ramming anything, I was merely pointing out that in someone's bias, they assume legislation they don't agree with is ramming something down someone's throats. Nice try though.

    Personally I feel the fillabuster does more harm than good because the neither parties are interested in compromise. Now please look at what I am actually saying and not what you think I am.

    I do not care what Bush did or didn't do. My point is that we are too far apart and legislation needs to pass so this country can address problems. If the fillabuster is getting in the way, than we should do away with it.
    You were called on this:

    Originally Posted by megaprogman
    So the 8 years of Bush ramming crap down our throats don't count? If Karma existed, you would think it would work the other way.
    I can see you are trying to change the subject, and well you should.... it was false and you know it.
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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    You were called on this:



    I can see you are trying to change the subject, and well you should.... it was false and you know it.
    Nope wrong. I was pointing out that stuff can appear to be rammed down someone's throat when they don't agree with the policy. It was not about fillabuster. Keep trying.

    I hated what Bush did. You hate what Obama does. Thats just politics.

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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Personally I think the increasing emphasis on fillabuster that has been growing, out of necessity, is harming out nation. I used to believe that it was a necessary check to allow moderation to take place but since neither side seems interested in that, than we should get rid of it to get least get some legislation passed or else our country will be hamstrung and be unable to address new problems. I think in an earlier post Crunch assumed I was referring to republicans doing something like the dems are doing, and they aren't. Honestly though, I now think we should get of the rule because its obvious it is doing more harm than good
    I see where you are coming from. However the dems could have used the tactic against the republicans. I remember how mad I got when they tried to ram judges down our throats that way.

    Also keep in mind that this is a tactic by republicans not a viable long term strategy. Once the filibuster is tossed out, there is no getting it back.

    Then the country will be at the mercy of the fringes on both sides, who control congress.

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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I see where you are coming from. However the dems could have used the tactic against the republicans. I remember how mad I got when they tried to ram judges down our throats that way.

    Also keep in mind that this is a tactic by republicans not a viable long term strategy. Once the filibuster is tossed out, there is no getting it back.

    Then the country will be at the mercy of the fringes on both sides, who control congress.
    I know and its unfortunate. It is because of the lack of compromise on both sides that I have come to this conclusion. Trust me, I would prefer it if liberals could work with conservatives and vice versa, but that is no longer the case. The country is in a lot of hot water right now and something must be done to solve it. Twiddling our thumbs because we cannot agree is worse than a policy that some will not agree with.

    You are right it is bad for the long term, but if we don't solve our problems soon, that might be irrelevant. I hate it, but it seems to be a necessary evil.

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