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  • To change domestic drilling and refining rules, including ANWR

    4 14.29%
  • To create a fence across the southern border and start a massive deportation effort

    3 10.71%
  • To remove Welfare

    6 21.43%
  • To remove this Health Care Reform if it passes

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Thread: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Since reconciliation is a practice that has been used by both political parties, it wouldn't be reasonable to object to it on the grounds it favors one side over the other. My only problem would be if it somehow jeopardized the structural integrity of our government and society.

    When I was younger, I was a fervent populist and believed the "will of the people" was the only way to counteract the influence of corporations and special interests. Then I would have said too many aspects of reconciliation are inconsistent with the popular nature of democracy for the practice to be valid.

    Now I don't believe the "will of the people" as such even exists, not in populist movements or anything else, and for as far as they can go, populist movements always play into the hands of the corporations and special interests; either the interests manipulate the populism or they are so far ahead of the populism they can position themselves in whatever position guarantees them the greatest profit. The structural integrity of our entire political system is questionable because every inch of the apparatus has been appropriated by commercial powers.

    So, I have no real issue with whether reconciliation exists or not. If it does exist, anybody who can use it "deserves" to use it.
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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    As long as the rules allow for it, it's going to get used when the majority want to pass something badly enough. I am a firm believer in the rules, so if the rule is in place, use it.
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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    I want to say none of the above. But if Health care passes with reconciliation then it should be removed with reconciliation.
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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I want to say none of the above. But if Health care passes with reconciliation then it should be removed with reconciliation.
    I'd have to agree with that.

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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    As argued here by those that support using reconcillation to pass the bill, -anything- that requires federal spending touches on the yearly budget.
    In other words......... anything is fair game.
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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Come 2012 with the Republicans in control of both houses and the Presidency, look out Dems.... It will be our turn to repeal everything you did and ram our agenda down your throats.

    Think you will like that? If not you had better get on the phone and let your Congress Critters know how you feel about it.

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    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Come 2012 with the Republicans in control of both houses and the Presidency, look out Dems.... It will be our turn to repeal everything you did and ram our agenda down your throats.

    Think you will like that? If not you had better get on the phone and let your Congress Critters know how you feel about it.

    Karma:

    It's not some mystical force that balances right and wrong.

    It's what happens when you piss someone off bad enough so that they come after you.
    So the 8 years of Bush ramming crap down our throats don't count? If Karma existed, you would think it would work the other way.

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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Come 2012 with the Republicans in control of both houses and the Presidency, look out Dems.... It will be our turn to repeal everything you did and ram our agenda down your throats.

    Think you will like that? If not you had better get on the phone and let your Congress Critters know how you feel about it.

    Karma:

    It's not some mystical force that balances right and wrong.

    It's what happens when you piss someone off bad enough so that they come after you.
    I would argue with the Karma, but if the rules are in place, then it's not some crime to use those rules. That has to go both ways.
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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    So the 8 years of Bush ramming crap down our throats don't count? If Karma existed, you would think it would work the other way.
    I've seen you do this one before, and you've been called on it.

    So what did Boooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhh ram down anyones throat? Include links please.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Would you be fine with reconciliation used for...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I would argue with the Karma, but if the rules are in place, then it's not some crime to use those rules. That has to go both ways.
    Yes it could... that was the whole point of my post.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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