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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I personally don't own firearms, but I would support those who did in resisting having them taken away.

    Here's an interesting twist for those of you who said yes. Let's say hypothetically that the constitution was amended to remove the second amendment and take away people's right to bear arms. Would you still violently resist then?

    I would view it much the same way, as I would view the removal of the 1st Amendment: as a tyrannical government acting to suppress resistance. I doubt they would get popular support for such a thing; if they claimed to have it, I would suspect fraud. Even if I knew they had majority support for it, some rights are too fundamental to surrender to anyone for any reason.

    In my view the right to bear arms is an extension of the right to life and liberty, because the right to life and liberty implies a right to defend same. I believe it is properly a natural right of all persons that ought never to be infringed upon.

    One of the things to consider is this: if they are taking away something as fundamental as the 2A, what are they planning to take away next, that they need to populace to be disarmed to pull off??
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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    If the Federal government started confiscating weapons en masse, would you violently resist them?

    I say absolutely. I would rather die than let that happen.
    Absolutely not.

    I would hand over all the weapons they knew about

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    It's especially [intriguing] to hear [concerned citizens] down south here running out to stock up on guns and ammo. [W]hat a bunch of [freedom loving Constitutionalists]... A [Liberal] got elected [and immediately surrounded himself with former Clinton administration officials], quick, get your guns!!!
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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    If the Federal government started confiscating weapons en masse, would you violently resist them?

    I say absolutely. I would rather die than let that happen.
    Side topic, feel free to yell at me and I will make a new thread for this, but...

    Explain this attitude to me. A gun is a tool, I read this as similar to "I would rather die than let some one take my screwdriver". It just makes no sense.

    Further, why is this the right people say this about. You don't ever hear "I would rather die than give up my right to peaceably assemble" or "I would rather die than give up my right to trial by an impartial jury by the sate".

    Why do people have such a strong reaction about this one right?
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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I would view it much the same way, as I would view the removal of the 1st Amendment: as a tyrannical government acting to suppress resistance. I doubt they would get popular support for such a thing; if they claimed to have it, I would suspect fraud. Even if I knew they had majority support for it, some rights are too fundamental to surrender to anyone for any reason.

    In my view the right to bear arms is an extension of the right to life and liberty, because the right to life and liberty implies a right to defend same. I believe it is properly a natural right of all persons that ought never to be infringed upon.

    One of the things to consider is this: if they are taking away something as fundamental as the 2A, what are they planning to take away next, that they need to populace to be disarmed to pull off??
    Also consider though, it takes 2/3 of both houses of congress to even suggest an amendment to the constitution, and 3/4 of the state legislatures to actually ratify it. If the constitution were amended to remove the 2nd amendment, it would mean that popular support was incredibly high for doing so. Would you still consider it right to resist something that so much of the country wanted to happen?
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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I am not certain how I feel about this. I am not sure a society has the "right" to take away the right of its people to be capable of overthrowing their government. I have always viewed true rights to be things that legal documents (like constitutions) simply recognize, not make.

    I would certianly resist if, say, society decided to rescind the right to freedom of speech.

    What about religion? Is it EVER the prerogative of a society to (attempt to) force people to practice a specific religion? I know that if I saw a democratic society in the world today that tried to infringe on this right of its people, I would consider the right of the minority of people to be above the will of any supermajority of that society.

    And so on.
    Truth be told, the second amendment is something that I do not utilize, so I tend not to personally value it at much. I have no plans to own a gun, so my life would be the same whether or not that right was in the constitution.

    If they messed with my right to speech or religion, I would be sorely pissed off.
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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I would view it much the same way, as I would view the removal of the 1st Amendment: as a tyrannical government acting to suppress resistance. I doubt they would get popular support for such a thing; if they claimed to have it, I would suspect fraud. Even if I knew they had majority support for it, some rights are too fundamental to surrender to anyone for any reason.

    In my view the right to bear arms is an extension of the right to life and liberty, because the right to life and liberty implies a right to defend same. I believe it is properly a natural right of all persons that ought never to be infringed upon.

    One of the things to consider is this: if they are taking away something as fundamental as the 2A, what are they planning to take away next, that they need to populace to be disarmed to pull off??
    Here's the issue with comparing the First Amendment with the Second Amendment.

    Many gun rights advocates claim that the Second Amendment is an absolute right to gun ownership. That is that gun ownership cannot be regulated or prevented in any way. Many claim such activists claim that Americans should be able to own any kind of firearm they want, including military firearms.

    However, many 2A activists are conservatives, and conservatives, especially the Religious Right, like to restrict Free Speech guaranteed by the Constitution. They do this mostly through obscenity laws.

    So if gun rights are an absolute right, then free speech should be an absolute right. If assault rifles can be purchased without regulation, then so can pornography.

    That's the slippery slope gun rights' activists get into.

    However, if we can have local obscenity laws prohibiting certain kinds of speech, then we can have local gun laws that prohibit certain kinds of firearms. One instance of this is the Chicago and D.C. handgun bans. (I'm not getting into an argument over whether or not a handgun ban in those cities are effective, as that's not the point; I'm arguing over whether or not local governments have the power to prohibit certain kinds of firearms).

    So, to put the issue another way, my question is if those who believe that firearm ownership is an absolute right that extends to military weapons and assault rifles also resist things such as the FCC charging punitive fees against radio and television stations that air the Seven Dirty Words where children can hear just as ardently?

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    If the Federal government started confiscating weapons en masse, would you violently resist them?

    I say absolutely. I would rather die than let that happen.
    If green elephants ever try to take my laptop to use it to build a machine to take over the planet, I'll resist that too.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    If green elephants ever try to take my laptop to use it to build a machine to take over the planet, I'll resist that too.
    Good luck with resisting an elephant.
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