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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
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    Well, that's really just your opinion. My opinion is that allowing just anyone who wants a gun to have one only leads to violent crime and unnecessary death. I honestly don't understand why people have this need to be armed with a deadly weapon. I really don't. Feel free to try to explain it to me, but odds are I just wont see what you're getting at. It's just surreal to me.

    However, even though I don't agree with the 2nd amendment, it's still an amendment and as such cannot simply be disregarded, as that sets a horrible precedent and puts the actually rational amendments at risk. Do I hope we one day get to a place where a majority of the country can agree to give up firearms? Yes. Would I support the government taking those firearms away from people before that day came? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pal View Post
    Well, that's really just your opinion. My opinion is that allowing just anyone who wants a gun to have one only leads to violent crime and unnecessary death. I honestly don't understand why people have this need to be armed with a deadly weapon. I really don't. Feel free to try to explain it to me, but odds are I just wont see what you're getting at. It's just surreal to me.

    However, even though I don't agree with the 2nd amendment, it's still an amendment and as such cannot simply be disregarded, as that sets a horrible precedent and puts the actually rational amendments at risk. Do I hope we one day get to a place where a majority of the country can agree to give up firearms? Yes. Would I support the government taking those firearms away from people before that day came? No.
    You really should read some of the prior conversations before posting comments like these. This gound has been covered several times now.

    The fact is the right to keep and bear arms pre-dates the Constitution. the 2nd. Amendment is an expansion on the right to keep and bear,... it gives us the secured right to form militias in defense of our States.

    If you don't want a gun? That's great,... don't have one.

    But ask yourself,... where did the founding father's get their rights to wage war against the King for our independence,... given the fact that the Constitution hadn't even been written yet.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Totally understand and agree 100% -- and that is the big picture I think people aren't quite getting.

    I've been robbed at gunpoint, twice. Now I didn't own a gun at that time, nor do I think I would have had time to do anything with a gun, even if I'd had one.. give the circumstances surrounding the two incidents (I was working in a financial institution).

    It's funny though, how many people will automatically assume that if you are carrying a sidearm, that you'll suddenly be like a wild west gunslinger with an itchy trigger finger.

    I can't tell you how many times I've heard people tell me that I must be a chicken little, or that I must be scared of my own shadow because I choose to carry a firearm.

    I see it as a preventative measure, it's my right and I choose to exercise it and nothing more.
    Oh yes...I hear that as well...the whole living in fear thing...I laugh.

    The reality is that violent crimes happen every minute of every hour of every day. Police carry firearms to deal with criminals...but people forget...those criminals arent out there targeting armed and uniformed cops. They are targeting citizens.

    And I laugh when people start talking about the wild west scenario. One...it simply has NOT happened where CCW has been implemented (and its been over 30 years). Two...most of the CCW permit instructors I know teach that use of a firearm is a 'gravest extreme' option. Three...annual stats prove that areas with strict gun laws are far more likely to have higher crime rates. Now...I dont know how that is even possible since in those areas gun ownership is severely restricted. Like drug bans, surely gun bans will prevent criminals from having them.

    I actually have found that people are much less likely to even be in conflict situations when they carry. They are typically more conscious of their surroundings. They typically avoid trouble. They are more alert which gives off a signal that they arent an easy target. Of course these are simply 'typcial' cases and not EVERY case. But I would say it is the norm...not the exception.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pal View Post
    Well, that's really just your opinion. My opinion is that allowing just anyone who wants a gun to have one only leads to violent crime and unnecessary death. I honestly don't understand why people have this need to be armed with a deadly weapon. I really don't. Feel free to try to explain it to me, but odds are I just wont see what you're getting at. It's just surreal to me.

    However, even though I don't agree with the 2nd amendment, it's still an amendment and as such cannot simply be disregarded, as that sets a horrible precedent and puts the actually rational amendments at risk. Do I hope we one day get to a place where a majority of the country can agree to give up firearms? Yes. Would I support the government taking those firearms away from people before that day came? No.
    Opinions are fine...but when confronted with the FACT that the most violent cities in America ALL are cities where the private ownership of firearms by law abiding citizens are restricted...you either cling to what you know is a flawed 'opinion' or accept the fact that it isnt the law abiding citizen with a firearm that should concern you.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    You really should read some of the prior conversations before posting comments like these. This gound has been covered several times now.

    The fact is the right to keep and bear arms pre-dates the Constitution. the 2nd. Amendment is an expansion on the right to keep and bear,... it gives us the secured right to form militias in defense of our States.

    If you don't want a gun? That's great,... don't have one.

    But ask yourself,... where did the founding father's get their rights to wage war against the King for our independence,... given the fact that the Constitution hadn't even been written yet.
    I won't deny that I didn't read the whole thread, it's just too long. But I still wanted to register my opinion regarding the poll and the OP. If you think my argument is to redundant to warrant responding to, feel free not to respond.

    I also won't deny that the 2nd amendment made sense at the time, and that I understand why the founding father's put it in the Constitution. However, like many things that have been in the Constitution, I find it outdated, irrelevant, and unnecessary in our modern society. That's just my opinion.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pal View Post
    Well, that's really just your opinion. My opinion is that allowing just anyone who wants a gun to have one only leads to violent crime and unnecessary death. I honestly don't understand why people have this need to be armed with a deadly weapon. I really don't. Feel free to try to explain it to me, but odds are I just wont see what you're getting at. It's just surreal to me.
    You seem to live in a bubble where everything is safe and clean and nobody has to defend themselves from violence. Heck, I live in the bubble too, but I'm not naive about it. I don't carry a gun, even in scary places where I've been, but come on, you can't imagine any reason for it?

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pal View Post
    Well, that's really just your opinion.
    No, it is actually the opinion of the people who wrote the Bill of Rights. They knew a thing or two about government tyranny and protection of one's self and belongings, so that's why they put it in there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pal View Post
    My opinion is that allowing just anyone who wants a gun to have one only leads to violent crime and unnecessary death. I honestly don't understand why people have this need to be armed with a deadly weapon. I really don't. Feel free to try to explain it to me, but odds are I just wont see what you're getting at. It's just surreal to me.
    Yeah, you probably won't get it up until you are the victim of a violent crime. I hope for your sake you survive the experience. Regardless, you have no right nor standing to tell me if I may or may not have a gun, Second Amendment or not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pal View Post
    However, even though I don't agree with the 2nd amendment, it's still an amendment and as such cannot simply be disregarded, as that sets a horrible precedent and puts the actually rational amendments at risk.
    "Rational"?
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    Do I hope we one day get to a place where a majority of the country can agree to give up firearms? Yes. Would I support the government taking those firearms away from people before that day came? No.
    You will never get that majority, ever. Even if you did, it would be useless. Even if you were able to get 99% of the country to give up their arms, you would still have a population of people equal to that of Cleveland who are free to victimize unarmed people at will. Are you willing to accept that risk? I doubt it.

    I have firearms to protect myself and my family from people who may choose to do us harm. As long as you do not choose to threaten me or mine, you have absolutely nothing to worry about from my firearms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I actually have found that people are much less likely to even be in conflict situations when they carry. They are typically more conscious of their surroundings. They typically avoid trouble. They are more alert which gives off a signal that they arent an easy target. Of course these are simply 'typcial' cases and not EVERY case. But I would say it is the norm...not the exception.
    I almost typed this very same thing. Same for when I first started taking karate,... never needed it because I was more prepared than ever and more aware of my surroundings.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I almost typed this very same thing. Same for when I first started taking karate,... never needed it because I was more prepared than ever and more aware of my surroundings.
    I'm surprised they haven't tried to ban martial arts yet, honestly. 'Cuz it's like, dangerous 'n stuff.

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