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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I didn't say that, did I? I don't even own a damn gun for Chrissakes. I'm not sure why you felt the need to make this snide comment.
    Chicago, that's just sad.
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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I might be bias as I don't have a gun... but my life is worth much more than a gun.
    If the government takes your gun, how will you protect your life?

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I don't currently own a gun, but if the govt was coming around to collect them all, I'd arm myself with someone elses gun and stand with them against such tyranny.
    Oh my gawd! You're such a gun-nut freak job! Waaaaah!


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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Which is just a fascinating thing, when you try to consider originalist jurisprudence for interpreting the Constitution. I mean, whose original meaning do we go with? Jefferson's? Hamilton's? The people's? Which people?

    They didn't all agree what it meant even then. How do we choose what the original meaning was?

    Sorry, off topic really, that.

    Your point is valid; at least some of the founders viewed the 2nd in the context of believing that we have the right to rebel against tyranny.
    Hamilton certainly shouldn't be discounted, but that doesn't mean we should ignore his monarchist tendencies. Were it entirely up to him, we'd have a parliament and life-time executives. But, even if we take the most "liberal" interpretation of the Constitution (which I feel is Hamilton's), it's still a far-cry from the prevailing interpretation.

    Hamilton didn't even want a Bill of Rights because he thought it was redundant. The Federal government's authority was supposed to be strictly limited to its Constitutionally Enumerated Powers, and the current interpretation of the General Welfare Clause is far beyond the scope of what Hamilton advocated. Don't even get me started on the Interstate Commerce Clause...

    I think Madison and Jefferson (in that order) should be given the most preference in Constitutional interpretation. Madison, because he is principle architect of the Constitution, and Jefferson, because he articulated the political philosophy underlying the Constitution via the Declaration of Independence, which I feel is the most neglected document in our history.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Just something I learned in highschool
    I swear you and I must have had the same teacher. My high school history teacher used to say the same thing.
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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I didn't say that, did I? I don't even own a damn gun for Chrissakes. I'm not sure why you felt the need to make this snide comment.
    'Cause its true! The Obama man's gonna taken mah guns!


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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    I've just obtained my conceal and carry. I don't think it's as much being paranoid what the government will do, it's what it is capable of doing.

    Just a quick look at history tells us what they do when they feel someone is building a militia. Now, I am NOT saying that those who have stock piled weapons were "all there" to begin with - but the point is, most were law abiding citizens and kept to themselves. They obtained their firearms legally and were breaking NO laws. Still, they were converged on and their weapons seized.

    Well, enough of that... I'm sure someone will come along soon enough and call me a paranoid gun freak.
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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Pools are more dangerous.
    You can't skinny-dip in a gun.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    What do YOU think it means "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion"?

    Hint: He is saying God should forbid us to go more than 20 years without having a rebellion.
    What do you think he meant by "Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them."

    Hint: it's not that he wants the rebellions to actually succeed.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Profound yet moronic ... in other words blood of patriots and tyrants, turns to the blood of traitors and victors - since the defeated are criminals or will be and the tyrants the victorious. If as you say, that was his meaning, it was both short sighted and detached from reality.
    But that wasn't his meaning either - he clearly states otherwise. Read the letter. He clearly said the rebels were not traitors nor the victors tyrants:

    And can history produce an instance of rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness.
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    Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them.

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