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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Freaked out? He banned certainweapons based on cosmetics... As a freesom loving American, we all should have been freaked out.
    What?

    And here we are in 2010 and I still have all my guns, how about you?

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Actually, no, he wasn't. Actually read the quote I posted, carefully. In fact, read the whole letter. He was absolutely NOT saying anything about the right of the people to revolt, not on a regular basis anyway. Obviously he supported the right to revolt when a government became tyrannical - he wrote the Declaration of Independence after all - but he certainly was NOT advocating that armed rebellion happen every time somebody has a grievance, the way this tree of liberty quote is misrepresented as saying by people like you and Jerry, who learned it in high school or saw it on a sign and never bothered to read the whole letter. Not at all. Read the letter.
    Actually, this weekend there was a PBS Special by Ken Burns on Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson Online
    They specifically mentioned that Jefferson feared that the federalists led by Adams and Hamilton were subverting the Constitution and that another revolution might have to take place.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Actually, this weekend there was a PBS Special by Ken Burns on Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson Online
    They specifically mentioned that Jefferson feared that the federalists led by Adams and Hamilton were subverting the Constitution and that another revolution might have to take place.
    Which is just a fascinating thing, when you try to consider originalist jurisprudence for interpreting the Constitution. I mean, whose original meaning do we go with? Jefferson's? Hamilton's? The people's? Which people?

    They didn't all agree what it meant even then. How do we choose what the original meaning was?

    Sorry, off topic really, that.

    Your point is valid; at least some of the founders viewed the 2nd in the context of believing that we have the right to rebel against tyranny.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Not hardly. There was no run on ammo when Clinton got elected. Obama never even mentioned gun rights.
    Clinton wasn't from Illinois.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Side topic, feel free to yell at me and I will make a new thread for this, but...

    Explain this attitude to me. A gun is a tool, I read this as similar to "I would rather die than let some one take my screwdriver". It just makes no sense.
    Screwdrivers cannot secure your right to self-determination, guns can.

    Further, why is this the right people say this about. You don't ever hear "I would rather die than give up my right to peaceably assemble" or "I would rather die than give up my right to trial by an impartial jury by the sate".

    Why do people have such a strong reaction about this one right?
    You don't think people would violently revolt if the Federal government did away with Constitutional Due Process? I'm pretty sure Americans would never stand for that.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Great summation! This is as ridiculous a hypothetical as if some rightee said, "If your governor, or mayor, came to your house saying he had the right to take your wife for a night or take your first born would you object?

    Dumb.
    If governors and mayors had a history of kidnapping wives like the government has a history of violating the Second Amendment, I'd say you have a point.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The second amendment is there, end argument.
    Trust me. This argument has been tried. Some people, however, have a very "creative" interpretation of the Second Amendment. Some of them are even on the Supreme Court.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    What?

    And here we are in 2010 and I still have all my guns, how about you?
    I haven't read up on what the executive branch has done so far but most presidents since GW 1 have "legislated" new rules about guns.

    You just don't hear about it much.
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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Isn't there some study that showed that there's a greater risk to the gun owner and his/her family through accident/suicide/domestic violence than the risk of needing it for self-defense in the home?
    Pools are more dangerous.

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    Re: Would You Resist Federal Confiscation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Oh, good grief.

    "The evil socialist gummint is comin to take mah guns!"

    I didn't say that, did I? I don't even own a damn gun for Chrissakes. I'm not sure why you felt the need to make this snide comment.

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