View Poll Results: Which "Party" Do You Agree With More?

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  • Coffee Party

    18 35.29%
  • Tea Party

    21 41.18%
  • Neither

    12 23.53%
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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    my party:

    the vodka party.

    truth, liberty and grey goose for all.
    VOKDA!?

    You damn dirty communist

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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    VOKDA!?

    You damn dirty communist
    ah, but we have a bunch of fun.....

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Everyone calls me a "commie" but I'm actually just a socialist
    Vote John Schnatter (Papa John) 2012!

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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    my party:

    the vodka party.

    truth, liberty and grey goose for all.
    Mine is the Tequila party. Go Whigs!

    Individual freedom to choose: straight up, lemon and salt, or orange and cinnamon.

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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I don't get it... Obama reduces people's taxes and they want more reductions? I have a question for you... pick one... reduce our federal deficit or reduce taxes? Either you pick one or you find a middle ground. You can cut programs all you want, but those programs supply jobs to people so when you cut programs you lose jobs. You reduce taxes, you have less revenue to pay for government, so the deficit and debt goes up.
    Thanks for the great reply! I would like to add, however, that a reduction in taxes doesn't necessarily mean the government will receive less tax revenue. As you mention in the following sentence, it's "Good for job creation," but not in the public sector, I think you meant private sector.

    If you reduce taxes, and private sector jobs increase, you have less unemployment and therefor more people paying taxes. So the government, in the long run, actually brings in more tax revenue from lower taxes. That's the extremely short version for economics 101.

    As we're seeing today, if the government increases taxes, it provides a short-term boost of tax revenue. However, after this initial boost in tax revenue, if the government continues to increase taxes instead of lower taxes businesses won't hire and the economy will shrink; thus, in turn, providing the government with less tax revenue than if they had lowered taxes.

    It's really that simple. When the government taxes something, typically there's less consumption or use of whatever it is they're taxing. So when the government taxes small businesses and taxes the people to no end, there's less money flowing in the free market to create jobs and stimulate economic growth. The wrong solution is how Obama and the Democrats going about it, thinking that increasing taxes (again and again) will bring in a continuous flow of short-term boosts in tax revenue. The correct solution would be to lower taxes, which will truly stimulate the economy and private sector job growth, and in turn bring more tax revenue to the government.

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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    An election for office is the best example of people coming together to express their collective wills, and it is very much a part of our system. Don't get hung up on these little phrases, but instead look at the underlying meaning.
    While sometimes government is necessary to protect our common interests in Life Liberty and Pursuit of Hapiness, why do we need to have the "collective will" of everyone forced on us? How about we just stick to our individual will more? Democracy, while needed in some cases, is nothing more than rule by 50.1%. The market allows people far more variety, no timetable to replace their product if it displeases them, and as long as one has enough fellow customers, it doesn't matter if most people picked the the other product.
    Last edited by DrunkenAsparagus; 03-18-10 at 04:55 PM.
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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Since they explicitly put it in there that "government is not the enemy", it was all pretty clearly an attack on the tea-party-espoused idea of limited government. That idea is based on individualism and decisions being made at the individual rather than societal level, which the Coffee Party people either don't understand or just don't like, since they view a democratically-elected government as something that should make decisions for people based on what a majority of people want. Note that they did not say that elections should express the "collective will" of the people. They said that the government should do this, and they made an obvious jab at the individualist-based call for limited government while doing so. Though I'm pretty sure most of them don't realize it, this is almost exactly what democratic socialism is.
    Dav, this is spin. Pure and simple spin.

    You are right, it is in reaction to the Tea Party movement, but that does not make it entirely against everything the Tea Party is about, only that it is different and in reaction to.

    The Coffee Party is not, anywhere I can see, saying the government should make decisions for people, it is saying that the government is elected by the people to work for us. Congress passes laws, the president signs those laws, we the people pick who is in congress and the president.

    It further does not say that the "government should express our wills"(nice spin, only have to change one word to get your interpretation), but that "the government is 'not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will". It's not the government telling us what to do, but puts the responsibility for the government on us. We choose them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    Thanks for the great reply! I would like to add, however, that a reduction in taxes doesn't necessarily mean the government will receive less tax revenue. As you mention in the following sentence, it's "Good for job creation," but not in the public sector, I think you meant private sector.

    If you reduce taxes, and private sector jobs increase, you have less unemployment and therefor more people paying taxes. So the government, in the long run, actually brings in more tax revenue from lower taxes. That's the extremely short version for economics 101.

    As we're seeing today, if the government increases taxes, it provides a short-term boost of tax revenue. However, after this initial boost in tax revenue, if the government continues to increase taxes instead of lower taxes businesses won't hire and the economy will shrink; thus, in turn, providing the government with less tax revenue than if they had lowered taxes.

    It's really that simple. When the government taxes something, typically there's less consumption or use of whatever it is they're taxing. So when the government taxes small businesses and taxes the people to no end, there's less money flowing in the free market to create jobs and stimulate economic growth. The wrong solution is how Obama and the Democrats going about it, thinking that increasing taxes (again and again) will bring in a continuous flow of short-term boosts in tax revenue. The correct solution would be to lower taxes, which will truly stimulate the economy and private sector job growth, and in turn bring more tax revenue to the government.
    No, thank you. This is the kind of dialogue that will progress our country further. Having a conversation in a non-confrontational way. Thank you for your insight.

    I went on a rant in that post, but honestly I can't stand people who label others with liberal ideas as being Communist, Socialist, Anti-American, idiots, etc.

    I am a moderate and as such have liberal and conservative viewpoints. So when people straight out insult liberals I take it as a personal insult.
    Last edited by Jucon; 03-20-10 at 01:10 AM.

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