View Poll Results: Which "Party" Do You Agree With More?

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  • Coffee Party

    18 35.29%
  • Tea Party

    21 41.18%
  • Neither

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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    That is almost word-for-word the doctrine of democratic socialism. Note the phrase collective will, rather than individual (collectivism vs. individualism). These people completely opposed everything the country was founded on, and they don't even realize it.
    An election for office is the best example of people coming together to express their collective wills, and it is very much a part of our system. Don't get hung up on these little phrases, but instead look at the underlying meaning.
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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    An election for office is the best example of people coming together to express their collective wills, and it is very much a part of our system. Don't get hung up on these little phrases, but instead look at the underlying meaning.
    Looking at the underlying meaning is exactly what I did. On the surface, the phrase seems to just mean what you said it means. But that doesn't make what I said any less true.

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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Decaf.

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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    You know what I *like* about decaffeinated versus caffeinated? The healthy carcinogens that replace the caffeine! Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    You know what I *like* about decaffeinated versus caffeinated? The healthy carcinogens that replace the caffeine! Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
    .....This is funny. I just don't know why.
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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Both the Tea and Coffee party exemplify exactly how we arrived in our current situation. Vague generalities, without ever offering a workable specific plan. Throw around words like "small government" "liberty" "grassroots" and then pat yourself on the back. Nobody stands up and offers a workable plan that can actually implement their goals.

    For example, lets suppose that balancing the budget is one of your stated ideals. Saying "we need to control outrageous spending in washington" is an empty platitude. Saying "we need to raise the social security retirement age to 70, cut the BCT Ground Combat Vehicle Program, and reduce medicare coverage for end-of-life care" is actually meaningful.

    A talking point is not a replacement for taking action.
    Completely agree but it's easier to make vague goals than to take a stand on issues.

    Coffee and Tea Parties, populist nonsense that don't offer any resolution for today's problems.
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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Completely agree but it's easier to make vague goals than to take a stand on issues.

    Coffee and Tea Parties, populist nonsense that don't offer any resolution for today's problems.
    Is that anything like "Hope and Change"?
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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    READ BELOW FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE ORGANIZATIONS!

    Which "party" do you agree with more and why? And have you or are you willing to join these groups and march with them to fix this country?


    Tea Party:
    "An ongoing, nationwide effort by grassroots protesters, a collection of individuals and self-organizing groups, all united in accomplishing a single goal: returning fiscal responsibility and limited government to the United States through the exercise of political activism. The main focus of the TEA Party Movement is a rebuke of outrageous mandates, overreaching and out of control spending by an out of touch federal government.

    All of the rallies are in protest of the generational theft of public tax monies, the tremendous extensions of United States Federal debt and authority, the apparent restructuring of the Federal government with the intent to contravene the system of checks and balances for which the Constitution provides, and the attempt, which some movement leaders say has been in progress for several decades, to sacrifice liberty for permanent dependency"
    (Tea Party Movement - Conservapedia)

    ** Note: I use Conservapedia because I felt if explains well what the Tea Party movement is about. More below...

    Tea Party Core Values: (More info at: core values or Tea Party Patriots - Official Home of the American Tea Party Movement)
    - Fiscal Responsibility
    - Constitutionally Limited Government
    - Free Markets



    Coffee Party:
    "Its mission states that it is based on the underlying principle that the government is 'not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will, and that we must participate in the democratic process in order to address the challenges we face as Americans.' Its slogan is 'Wake Up and Stand Up'. Its stated goals include getting cooperation in government and removing corporate influence from politics." (Coffee Party USA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

    ** Note: Again, I felt wikipedia summed up the group well. More below...

    "Coffee Party USA aims to reinvigorate the public sphere, drawing from diverse backgrounds and diverse perspectives, with the goal of expanding the influence of the People in America's political arena. We do not require nor adhere to any preexisting ideology. We encourage deliberation guided by reason amongst the many viewpoints held by our members. We see our diversity as a strength, not a weakness, because we believe that faithful deliberation from multiple vantage points is the best way to achieve the common good. It is in the responsible and reasonable practice of deliberation that we hope to contribute to society.

    We want a society in which democracy is treated as sacrosanct and ordinary citizens participate out of a sense of civic duty, civic pride, and a desire to contribute to society. The Coffee Party is a call to action. Our Founding Fathers and Mothers gave us an enduring gift — Democracy — and we must use it to meet the challenges that we face as a nation." (Coffee Party | Wake Up and Stand Up)
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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Looking at the underlying meaning is exactly what I did. On the surface, the phrase seems to just mean what you said it means. But that doesn't make what I said any less true.
    You want to show then what you are basing all this on, other than "democratic socialists" used the phrase? Since the meaning in itself is not at all sinister, maybe you can show why in this case it really is.
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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You want to show then what you are basing all this on, other than "democratic socialists" used the phrase? Since the meaning in itself is not at all sinister, maybe you can show why in this case it really is.
    Since they explicitly put it in there that "government is not the enemy", it was all pretty clearly an attack on the tea-party-espoused idea of limited government. That idea is based on individualism and decisions being made at the individual rather than societal level, which the Coffee Party people either don't understand or just don't like, since they view a democratically-elected government as something that should make decisions for people based on what a majority of people want. Note that they did not say that elections should express the "collective will" of the people. They said that the government should do this, and they made an obvious jab at the individualist-based call for limited government while doing so. Though I'm pretty sure most of them don't realize it, this is almost exactly what democratic socialism is.

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