View Poll Results: Which "Party" Do You Agree With More?

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  • Coffee Party

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  • Tea Party

    21 41.18%
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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Because if you look at my response, I was talking about culture, not politics. Our country has multiple cultures and is constantly taking on new influences as we continue to have immigrants and different ethnic populations grow. I specifically did not refer to the FFs or the constitution because that was not what I was talking about.

    The Tea Party movement is as much about promoting a certain identity (even though they deny it) as it is about political goals. It fails to recognize that people simply have different view points, which is something I find lacking in that movement.
    So if they deny what you assert, you are definitely correct, because you know what they really want?

    Our country has always been a multitude of cultures.
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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You made the claim, I'm asking you what you mean.
    I pretty much answered it in my last post, but I know a lot of people who go to the local tea party here and without fail they believe in a certain ideal american culture that might be shared by some % of the population but isn't shared by all.

    The political goals are not something I was meaning to reference.

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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So if they deny what you assert, you are definitely correct, because you know what they really want?

    Our country has always been a multitude of cultures.
    I am sure that people like Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin make a distinction between true americans and liberals. I've seen plenty of people on this forum do it as well.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 03-15-10 at 11:04 AM.

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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I pretty much answered it in my last post, but I know a lot of people who go to the local tea party here and without fail they believe in a certain ideal american culture that might be shared by some % of the population but isn't shared by all.

    The political goals are not something I was meaning to reference.
    That's why they are called parties. They aren't required to represent all.
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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I am sure that people like Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin make a distinction between true americans and liberals. I've seen plenty of people on this forum do it as well.
    Those aren't cultural differences, they are political differences.
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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Those aren't cultural differences, they are political differences.
    If a person says that someone who disagrees with them is not a real American, they are stating that there is a right america and a wrong america. That is a very cultural statement.

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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If a person says that someone who disagrees with them is not a real American, they are stating that there is a right america and a wrong america. That is a very cultural statement.
    I quite agree. Political statements are quite often cultural statements and vice versa.

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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If a person says that someone who disagrees with them is not a real American, they are stating that there is a right america and a wrong america. That is a very cultural statement.
    Sarah Palin apologized for those remarks.
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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So you don't have anything and just made that comment flippantly....


    concession noted.




    Small representative government, was the ideals of the FF's, Tea party members want this.

    Liberty is a cornerstone of what the FF envisioned. Tea party members want this.
    What have they said that gives the impression that they supported small government? And who can really define what a "small government" really is? The way I see it, the larger the population becomes, the more government is needed to keep order and serve the population. What good is one sheriff in a town of 2000? Only the citizens could enforce the law... and we are long past those days, thank God.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Because if you look at my response, I was talking about culture, not politics. Our country has multiple cultures and is constantly taking on new influences as we continue to have immigrants and different ethnic populations grow. I specifically did not refer to the FFs or the constitution because that was not what I was talking about.

    The Tea Party movement is as much about promoting a certain identity (even though they deny it) as it is about political goals. It fails to recognize that people simply have different view points, which is something I find lacking in that movement.
    I have to agree here. As I said in another post, the Tea Partiers are pushing smaller government, less taxes and more market control... which are all conservative views. Though I respectfully disagree with those viewpoints, I am still willing to sit down and talk out differences with those I disagree with... and that is what the Coffee Party is about; getting over our differences to get something done. I see from the Tea Party the same rhetoric as the Republicans and the Democrats; "It's our way or the highway!"

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's why they are called parties. They aren't required to represent all.
    And yet Fox News and conservatives continues to act like the Tea Party represents the majority of Americans. This is EXACTLY why the Coffee Party was started; to show that the Tea Party does not reflect the only ideology in the U.S. right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Sarah Palin apologized for those remarks.
    Haha yeah right. I'd love to see that.
    Last edited by Jucon; 03-15-10 at 12:13 PM.

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    Re: Tea Party or Coffee Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    What have they said that gives the impression that they supported small government? And who can really define what a "small government" really is? The way I see it, the larger the population becomes, the more government is needed to keep order and serve the population.


    You are kidding right?





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