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Tea Party or Coffee Party?

Which "Party" Do You Agree With More?

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megaprogman said:
What the FF's wanted is one thing, but the reality of the country is something different. Nice attempt at mischaracterizing my response though.
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YOU said:
One of my biggest problems with the tea party is that it looks like they want to fundamentally reshape the country to be something that it isn't and has never been
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What did I mischaractarize?
 
Tea party for me :mrgreen:
 
megaprogman said:
To which claim?



Not sure what you mean. We aren't a lot of thing. We aren't full of martians. We aren't bionic. We aren't all one legged. Etc.
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You made the claim, I'm asking you what you mean.
 
Because if you look at my response, I was talking about culture, not politics. Our country has multiple cultures and is constantly taking on new influences as we continue to have immigrants and different ethnic populations grow. I specifically did not refer to the FFs or the constitution because that was not what I was talking about.

The Tea Party movement is as much about promoting a certain identity (even though they deny it) as it is about political goals. It fails to recognize that people simply have different view points, which is something I find lacking in that movement.
 
megaprogman said:
Because if you look at my response, I was talking about culture, not politics. Our country has multiple cultures and is constantly taking on new influences as we continue to have immigrants and different ethnic populations grow. I specifically did not refer to the FFs or the constitution because that was not what I was talking about.

The Tea Party movement is as much about promoting a certain identity (even though they deny it) as it is about political goals. It fails to recognize that people simply have different view points, which is something I find lacking in that movement.
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So if they deny what you assert, you are definitely correct, because you know what they really want? ;)

Our country has always been a multitude of cultures.
 
American said:
You made the claim, I'm asking you what you mean.
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I pretty much answered it in my last post, but I know a lot of people who go to the local tea party here and without fail they believe in a certain ideal american culture that might be shared by some % of the population but isn't shared by all.

The political goals are not something I was meaning to reference.
 
American said:
So if they deny what you assert, you are definitely correct, because you know what they really want? ;)

Our country has always been a multitude of cultures.
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I am sure that people like Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin make a distinction between true americans and liberals. I've seen plenty of people on this forum do it as well.
 
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megaprogman said:
I pretty much answered it in my last post, but I know a lot of people who go to the local tea party here and without fail they believe in a certain ideal american culture that might be shared by some % of the population but isn't shared by all.

The political goals are not something I was meaning to reference.
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That's why they are called parties. They aren't required to represent all.
 
American said:
Those aren't cultural differences, they are political differences.
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If a person says that someone who disagrees with them is not a real American, they are stating that there is a right america and a wrong america. That is a very cultural statement.
 
megaprogman said:
If a person says that someone who disagrees with them is not a real American, they are stating that there is a right america and a wrong america. That is a very cultural statement.
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I quite agree. Political statements are quite often cultural statements and vice versa.
 
megaprogman said:
If a person says that someone who disagrees with them is not a real American, they are stating that there is a right america and a wrong america. That is a very cultural statement.
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Sarah Palin apologized for those remarks.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So you don't have anything and just made that comment flippantly....


concession noted.




Small representative government, was the ideals of the FF's, Tea party members want this.

Liberty is a cornerstone of what the FF envisioned. Tea party members want this.
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What have they said that gives the impression that they supported small government? And who can really define what a "small government" really is? The way I see it, the larger the population becomes, the more government is needed to keep order and serve the population. What good is one sheriff in a town of 2000? Only the citizens could enforce the law... and we are long past those days, thank God.

megaprogman said:
Because if you look at my response, I was talking about culture, not politics. Our country has multiple cultures and is constantly taking on new influences as we continue to have immigrants and different ethnic populations grow. I specifically did not refer to the FFs or the constitution because that was not what I was talking about.

The Tea Party movement is as much about promoting a certain identity (even though they deny it) as it is about political goals. It fails to recognize that people simply have different view points, which is something I find lacking in that movement.
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I have to agree here. As I said in another post, the Tea Partiers are pushing smaller government, less taxes and more market control... which are all conservative views. Though I respectfully disagree with those viewpoints, I am still willing to sit down and talk out differences with those I disagree with... and that is what the Coffee Party is about; getting over our differences to get something done. I see from the Tea Party the same rhetoric as the Republicans and the Democrats; "It's our way or the highway!"

American said:
That's why they are called parties. They aren't required to represent all.
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And yet Fox News and conservatives continues to act like the Tea Party represents the majority of Americans. This is EXACTLY why the Coffee Party was started; to show that the Tea Party does not reflect the only ideology in the U.S. right now.

American said:
Sarah Palin apologized for those remarks.
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Haha yeah right. I'd love to see that. :rofl
 
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Jucon said:
What have they said that gives the impression that they supported small government? And who can really define what a "small government" really is? The way I see it, the larger the population becomes, the more government is needed to keep order and serve the population.
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You are kidding right? :doh:shock:





“To say that the United States should be answerable for twenty-five millions of dollars without knowing whether the ways and means can be provided, and without knowing whether those who are to succeed us will think with us on the subject, would be rash and unjustifiable.” - James Madison


“If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one…but an indefinite one….” - Thomas Jefferson

“To contract new debts is not the way to pay old ones.” -George Washington


I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers ... We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the. -Jefferson


I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labour of the industrious. -Jefferson


That government is best which governs least, because its people discipline themselves.
-Jefferson
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
You are kidding right? :doh:shock:





“To say that the United States should be answerable for twenty-five millions of dollars without knowing whether the ways and means can be provided, and without knowing whether those who are to succeed us will think with us on the subject, would be rash and unjustifiable.” - James Madison


“If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one…but an indefinite one….” - Thomas Jefferson

“To contract new debts is not the way to pay old ones.” -George Washington


I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers ... We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the. -Jefferson


I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labour of the industrious. -Jefferson


That government is best which governs least, because its people discipline themselves.
-Jefferson
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Thanks! I wasn't trying to question that they said it... I simply did not know what the FFs said that implied that. Good to know :2wave:

American said:
Palin Apologizes for 'Real America' Comments - washingtonpost.com
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I look at her the same way I look at people like Limbaugh, Glenn Beck or Hannity... claiming that people with liberal views are socialists and anti-American and wish to destroy this country. This "apology" does nothing for me. The only reason she apologized was to not lose votes. She has since proven she did not mean that apology. But thanks for the article though!
 
I just want to interject, both groups sound great on paper. But in actuality, or at least for the Tea Party, the group is nothing but neo-con's gathering under Rush Limbaugh. It's like communism. Good idea gone awry.

I'd assume the Coffee Party is umch the same.
 
repeter said:
I just want to interject, both groups sound great on paper. But in actuality, or at least for the Tea Party, the group is nothing but neo-con's gathering under Rush Limbaugh. It's like communism. Good idea gone awry.

I'd assume the Coffee Party is umch the same.
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Its possible, but who can tell at this stage in the game. If the coffee party ends up being as intolerant as the tea party (and maybe its just my local tea party that is intolerant) than it will be equally as useless in moving the country forward.
 
More of less tea party.
 
If Tea Partiers are more comfortable waving signs at a health-care protest, these activists seem much more at ease with a cup of java inside the calm confines of a coffee shop.

This weekend marks the kick-off of the Coffee Parties across the country— which has been billed as the liberal response to the Tea Party movement — and I stopped by one of the Washington D.C. area gatherings Saturday morning at Peregrine Espresso in the Eastern Market area — only to find a small gathering of five activists huddled at a small table.
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Low-key java drinkers in Washington kick off Coffee Parties | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

I attended the first organizing event of the nascent Coffee Party at an ungodly hour of a rainy morning in the welcoming Busboys & Poets coffeeshop in downtown Washington, DC. I had persuaded my friend Mary Panke to go with me, believing in her ability to think positive thoughts and to see creative solutions in every issue. I attended mostly out of curiousity and the cynical fear that the Coffee Party was attempting to copy the Tea Party's tactics.

The approximately 50 people in attendance ranged from students, young people in their 20s, a female military officer in her upper 50s who was an ardent pacifist, and many middle-aged people like myself who weren't sure what they were walking into but were open to a new paradigm. Led by activist and entrepreneur Andy Shallal and CodePink founder Medea Benjamin, the meeting's rules were clear: No bashing of the Tea Party and a willingness to talk and listen. The presence of a CNN crew lent a festive air as did the free (organic, free trade) coffee.
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Tamar Abrams: Something is Brewing Across America Today: The Coffee Party is Percolating

The first full-fledged gathering of the Kansas City chapter of the newly hatched Coffee Party drew a diverse crowd of about 40 persons to the coffee shop at 63rd and Oak streets in Kansas City.
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Coffee Party percolating in Kansas City | Midwest Voices

I attended both Tea parties in my town, population 12,000....... we had 500 at the first, 1500 at the second.

Just like Air America, you Libs can try to copy the program, but you can't compete with the message.
 
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Crunch said:
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Low-key java drinkers in Washington kick off Coffee Parties | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

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Tamar Abrams: Something is Brewing Across America Today: The Coffee Party is Percolating

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Coffee Party percolating in Kansas City | Midwest Voices

I attended both Tea parties in my town, population 12,000....... we had 500 at the first, 1500 at the second.

Just like Air America, you Libs can try to copy the program, but you can't compete with the message.
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And thank god for that :roll:
 
repeter said:
I just want to interject, both groups sound great on paper. But in actuality, or at least for the Tea Party, the group is nothing but neo-con's gathering under Rush Limbaugh. It's like communism. Good idea gone awry.

I'd assume the Coffee Party is umch the same.
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1. Tea party started as a libertarian movement.

2. Rush has nothing to do with or even endorses tea parties.
 
Crunch said:
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Low-key java drinkers in Washington kick off Coffee Parties | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

:lamo

Tamar Abrams: Something is Brewing Across America Today: The Coffee Party is Percolating

:lamo

Coffee Party percolating in Kansas City | Midwest Voices

I attended both Tea parties in my town, population 12,000....... we had 500 at the first, 1500 at the second.

Just like Air America, you Libs can try to copy the program, but you can't compete with the message.
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Only time will tell how successful the Coffee Party will be. Your assessment is very premature. This group literally started a few months ago... I hadn't even heard about it until a week ago.
 
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