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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    And that picture is totally representative of every American...

    It's funny how you liberals like to talk about how invincible our military is while simultaneously telling us they can't win in Iraq or Afghanistan. Make up your mind already.
    Was just thinking the same thing.

    They also do not seem to remember who the military is made up of. Young Americans, the people. This also go's for the National Guards and Reserve units.

    It is unlikely, but yes it is possible.
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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And then 360 people just like the ones murdered would replace them. Not as easy as you think, you have to control, not just murder.
    Why would they replace them when they're likely to get killed?

    Gee, the last guy who held this position got killed by a sniper, but I'm sure it'll be different for me...

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Was just thinking the same thing.

    They also do not seem to remember who the military is made up of. Young Americans, the people. This also go's for the National Guards and Reserve units.

    It is unlikely, but yes it is possible.
    Everyone knows that military men are just unthinking automatons. They would unquestionably mow down their fellow Americans. None of them would defect or engage in espionage and sabotage.

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Actually if I'm not mistaken, the US currently has about 25 or 30 million veterans among its population.

    Lots of people serve a tour in the military before going on to civilian pursuits.
    When I was active duty, we were actually asked once in a classroom (by a show of hands) "how many would have a problem if ordered to fire on American citizens." Nervously, only about three or four raised their hands. I was one of them. When one of us was asked "why not?" he answered, he was "pretty sure that would be against the Constitution." And that was about the end of it.

    It was very bizzare.

    Since then, every time this subject has come up I remember that day. But (to your point, Goshin) few people ever consider that there are about as many veterans (or more) in the civilian pop. as there are in service. In a situation where the military were to be ordered to fight our own citizens,... Inevitably, they would be firing on their own family members.

    I don't see any of the Marines I served with obeying those orders.

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Why would they replace them when they're likely to get killed?

    Gee, the last guy who held this position got killed by a sniper, but I'm sure it'll be different for me...
    I didn't think of that.

    I could see it now.
    "Guess you're the new president Bob"......bang, "Guess you're the new president Mr. speaker." bang. "guess you're the new president now Ben", "Oh hell no!, did you see what happened to the last three!?"
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I didn't think of that.

    I could see it now.
    "Guess you're the new president Bob"......bang, "Guess you're the new president Mr. speaker." bang. "guess you're the new president now Ben", "Oh hell no!, did you see what happened to the last three!?"
    But didn't you hear Hazlnut!? The only people who would rebel against a tyrannical government would be fat rednecks. There's no way any of these guys would get involved...


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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    One of the justifications for a broad interpretation of the second amendment is that it allows citizens the option of overthrowing the government if things get too bad.

    In short, since our military has a tanks, missiles, etc, is it even possible?
    I suppose it is possible. One has to remember in the case of a mass revolt, the military would be ordered to fire on their own contrymen. I think there would be a lot of troops asking themselves whether such an act is lawful and/or moral. One good example of this is the PLA troops that were deployed to roll through Tiananmen Square in 1989. Evidently the first group that arrived on the scene would not obey the order to clear the square. A second group had to be deployed to carry out the order.

    That being said, I don't think the Second Amendment rests on the ability of the people overthrowng the government en masse. I think it has more to do with defense rather than offense. For example, the government would never order a door-to-door search of a wide swath of the citizenry. If they did, they would be somewhat successful for as long as it took someone to twitter that such a search was happening. Once the element of surprise is lost, LEO's would become an endangered species.

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    No, it wouldn't be possible to overthrow the government, the government wouldn't use regular troops or law enforcers, they'd use Delta Force and that is a group that cannot be fought against and won.
    Do you really think that our military personnel would follow orders if it required them to kill their countrymen? I don't.

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    But didn't you hear Hazlnut!? The only people who would rebel against a tyrannical government would be fat rednecks. There's no way any of these guys would get involved...

    Nah, those are all just a bunch of stupid rednecks. You can tell because they're in the military and have those big, scary guns. [/sarcasm]

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    .... But (to your point, Goshin) few people ever consider that there are about as many veterans (or more) in the civilian pop. as there are in service. ....

    Actually, last time I checked the military had about 3.5 million servicemembers total. Most of these are NOT in combat arms, btw.

    Add in all the cops in America and you might bring that total to about 5 million. A lot of these folks are actually not going to be very effective in combat, because they're in non-combat jobs.

    There are 26 million veterans according to the site I sourced.


    This leaves aside how many soldiers and cops would end up on the side of the rebels.
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