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Is it possible to overthrow the US government

Is it possible?


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and the right social conditions or the population would never support it, plus you'd need some of the defence force on the side of the revolting people, or at the very least neutral

and a government to replace it with.
 
Possible? Yes. Likely? no.
 
libs think you would have to beat the army

that is not true, You merely cut the head off the beast.

For example if 300 congressmen and 60 senators voted to make gun ownership a capital offense, you would only have to kill 360 people to put an end to such tyranny

And then 360 people just like the ones murdered would replace them. Not as easy as you think, you have to control, not just murder.
 
If they have the backing of the U.S. military? I say good luck to people who decide to try. This ridiculousness of '30 million insurgents' is nothing more than a pipe dream. Most people in this country have absolutely zero military training or experience. What '30 million' are you talking about? When was the last time any sizeable percentage of our population went through any real war experience?
 
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Let's see... could a rag-tag bunch of lightly-armed rebels take on and defeat a government with the mightiest military ever seen on the face of the earth?


Gosh, I just don't know... let's ask Ben Franklin and see what he thinks. :roll: :mrgreen:




(in case you didn't get it, that's exactly what the Founders of the USA did when they sought independence from Great Britain.)
 
If they have the backing of the U.S. military? I say good luck to people who decide to try. This ridiculousness of '30 million insurgents' is nothing more than a pipe dream. Most people in this country have absolutely zero military training or experience. What '30 million' are you talking about? When was the last time any sizeable percentage of our population went through any real war experience?

It's a hypothetical situation. No one said it was likely to happen.
 
Actually if I'm not mistaken, the US currently has about 25 or 30 million veterans among its population.

Lots of people serve a tour in the military before going on to civilian pursuits.


Edited to add:
1 in 4 adult American males is a veteran
14 million veterans are in the workforce
Veterans comprise 11% of the private sector workforce
Veterans comprise 25% of the federal workforce
Veterans

A veteran is a person who has served in the armed forces. Veterans are the brave men and women who pledge to preserve the peace and protect the freedoms that Americans cherish.

Veterans Day

Veterans Day is a national holiday commemorating the armistice ending World War I in 1918 and honoring veterans of the armed services.

*Veterans Demographics

There are more than 26 million veterans in the U.S. and Puerto Rico.
The number of female veterans continues to increase with 2 million now.
The number of African-American veterans is 2.3 million
The number of Hispanic veterans is 1.1 million
The largest populations of veterans live in the South (9.9 million) and in the Midwest (6.1 million)

http://www.military.com/PressCenter/1,,pc-VetFacts.htm,00.html
 
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There are over 300 million Americans. If only ten percent of them revolted that would be 30 million insurgents spread across one of the largest and most diverse land masses on the planet. There is no way the government could defeat such a force.
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Are you serious... No, no... You're joking right??
 
Actually if I'm not mistaken, the US currently has about 25 or 30 million veterans among its population.

Lots of people serve a tour in the military before going on to civilian pursuits.

Everyone knows the Federal government is invincible, what with their tanks and radar and whatnot. Really, resistance would be futile, so there's no need to have guns. Just hand them over already, it's for your own good, really...
 
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Are you serious... No, no... You're joking right??

And that picture is totally representative of every American...:roll:

It's funny how you liberals like to talk about how invincible our military is while simultaneously telling us they can't win in Iraq or Afghanistan. Make up your mind already.
 
And that picture is totally representative of every American...:roll:

It's funny how you liberals like to talk about how invincible our military is while simultaneously telling us they can't win in Iraq or Afghanistan. Make up your mind already.

Was just thinking the same thing.

They also do not seem to remember who the military is made up of. Young Americans, the people. This also go's for the National Guards and Reserve units.

It is unlikely, but yes it is possible.
 
And then 360 people just like the ones murdered would replace them. Not as easy as you think, you have to control, not just murder.

Why would they replace them when they're likely to get killed?

Gee, the last guy who held this position got killed by a sniper, but I'm sure it'll be different for me...
 
Was just thinking the same thing.

They also do not seem to remember who the military is made up of. Young Americans, the people. This also go's for the National Guards and Reserve units.

It is unlikely, but yes it is possible.

Everyone knows that military men are just unthinking automatons. They would unquestionably mow down their fellow Americans. None of them would defect or engage in espionage and sabotage.
 
Actually if I'm not mistaken, the US currently has about 25 or 30 million veterans among its population.

Lots of people serve a tour in the military before going on to civilian pursuits.

When I was active duty, we were actually asked once in a classroom (by a show of hands) "how many would have a problem if ordered to fire on American citizens." Nervously, only about three or four raised their hands. I was one of them. When one of us was asked "why not?" he answered, he was "pretty sure that would be against the Constitution." And that was about the end of it.

It was very bizzare.

Since then, every time this subject has come up I remember that day. But (to your point, Goshin) few people ever consider that there are about as many veterans (or more) in the civilian pop. as there are in service. In a situation where the military were to be ordered to fight our own citizens,... Inevitably, they would be firing on their own family members.

I don't see any of the Marines I served with obeying those orders.
 
Why would they replace them when they're likely to get killed?

Gee, the last guy who held this position got killed by a sniper, but I'm sure it'll be different for me...
I didn't think of that.:doh

I could see it now.
"Guess you're the new president Bob"......bang, "Guess you're the new president Mr. speaker." bang. "guess you're the new president now Ben", "Oh hell no!, did you see what happened to the last three!?"
 
I didn't think of that.:doh

I could see it now.
"Guess you're the new president Bob"......bang, "Guess you're the new president Mr. speaker." bang. "guess you're the new president now Ben", "Oh hell no!, did you see what happened to the last three!?"

But didn't you hear Hazlnut!? The only people who would rebel against a tyrannical government would be fat rednecks. There's no way any of these guys would get involved...

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One of the justifications for a broad interpretation of the second amendment is that it allows citizens the option of overthrowing the government if things get too bad.

In short, since our military has a tanks, missiles, etc, is it even possible?
I suppose it is possible. One has to remember in the case of a mass revolt, the military would be ordered to fire on their own contrymen. I think there would be a lot of troops asking themselves whether such an act is lawful and/or moral. One good example of this is the PLA troops that were deployed to roll through Tiananmen Square in 1989. Evidently the first group that arrived on the scene would not obey the order to clear the square. A second group had to be deployed to carry out the order.

That being said, I don't think the Second Amendment rests on the ability of the people overthrowng the government en masse. I think it has more to do with defense rather than offense. For example, the government would never order a door-to-door search of a wide swath of the citizenry. If they did, they would be somewhat successful for as long as it took someone to twitter that such a search was happening. Once the element of surprise is lost, LEO's would become an endangered species.
 
No, it wouldn't be possible to overthrow the government, the government wouldn't use regular troops or law enforcers, they'd use Delta Force and that is a group that cannot be fought against and won.

Do you really think that our military personnel would follow orders if it required them to kill their countrymen? I don't.
 
But didn't you hear Hazlnut!? The only people who would rebel against a tyrannical government would be fat rednecks. There's no way any of these guys would get involved...

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Nah, those are all just a bunch of stupid rednecks. You can tell because they're in the military and have those big, scary guns. [/sarcasm]
 
.... But (to your point, Goshin) few people ever consider that there are about as many veterans (or more) in the civilian pop. as there are in service. ....


Actually, last time I checked the military had about 3.5 million servicemembers total. Most of these are NOT in combat arms, btw.

Add in all the cops in America and you might bring that total to about 5 million. A lot of these folks are actually not going to be very effective in combat, because they're in non-combat jobs.

There are 26 million veterans according to the site I sourced. :mrgreen:


This leaves aside how many soldiers and cops would end up on the side of the rebels.
 
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This leaves aside how many soldiers and cops would end up on the side of the rebels.
I suspect there would be a lot. Probably enough to render the US military and most police departments ineffective.
 
Why would they replace them when they're likely to get killed?

Gee, the last guy who held this position got killed by a sniper, but I'm sure it'll be different for me...

That has been the case with all the rest of the presidents assassinated...
 
Let's see... could a rag-tag bunch of lightly-armed rebels take on and defeat a government with the mightiest military ever seen on the face of the earth?


Gosh, I just don't know... let's ask Ben Franklin and see what he thinks. :roll: :mrgreen:




(in case you didn't get it, that's exactly what the Founders of the USA did when they sought independence from Great Britain.)

Not exactly. The whole logistic problem the British had would not be the case in this, and the military is much better armed compared to the populace than the british where to the Americans.
 
Everyone knows the Federal government is invincible, what with their tanks and radar and whatnot. Really, resistance would be futile, so there's no need to have guns. Just hand them over already, it's for your own good, really...

Holy intellectual dishonesty...
 
I suspect there would be a lot. Probably enough to render the US military and most police departments ineffective.

Yup. Basically, our 5 million military-and-police combo might be able to field 500,000 actual fighters (combat arms, SWAT, etc) at the most optimistic... and maybe another million or so half-arse combatants.

If 10% of American gun owners rebelled, that would be 9 million people. Statistically at least a quarter of those would be veterans.

Not looking so good for the forces of Big Government now, is it? :mrgreen:

Now... most of my buddies are current or former Military, or ex-cops. The question comes up sometimes: "what are you going to go if the government orders you to act against the Constitutional rights of American citizens?" Almost everyone I know says "Refuse the orders".

Granted, it would take a lot to stir up that kind of rebellion... if cable TV went off the air, and Beer were no longer available in the stores and bars, and the government could be made to bear the blame, that would do it. :mrgreen:
 
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