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Thread: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Possible yes

    probable not in the current environment

    Things in the US are no where near bad enough to cause a widespread rebellion that would have enough support to overthrow the US government.

    What would be required is a massive increase in poverty, increases in social unrests (ie riots), most likely an increase in ethnic/religous tensions.


    The poverty would be required to cause the social unrest, and riots which would cause a government crackdown.

    The ethnic/religous tensions would provide another motivator for overthrowing the government. Ie the US government is under the control of the "insert ethnic/religous group" and it needs to stop.

    The most likely candidates for starting a rebellion in the US in my opinion would be among the white "nationalists" that predominate in the western and south east US. They would also benifit from having a fairly large number of potential recruits who were in the US military and most likely would have ties to people in the US military


    But for it to actually happen, is quite remote and things would have to get much much worse economically in the US first
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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    But as we have been seeing with the insurgency in Iraq/Afghanistan these people are not so well trained. And I have my serious doubts an insurgency here would be any better in training.
    You don't need training to serious screw some **** up.
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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Right, but this isn't Afghanistan or Iraq we are talking about. Many of our citizens are retired military still in young and relatively fit shape, others are well versed in martial tactics, as well, if things came to a revolt you'd have a desertion ratio among LEO's and Military if those sectors sided with the government, all would be qualified to train militants within a desired timeframe.
    Right, but most military people are proud American's who'd most likely not rebel against the government, instead they would automatically take the side of the government and if there were dissidents among the military it would be too small to actually make a difference before the military wipes all of them out. Even if the rebels were using sleeper cell tactics it would not work, instead sleeper cells would make things easier.

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You don't need training to serious screw some **** up.
    I agree. But still you'd want to have some training when it comes to fighting a trained military.

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    I agree. But still you'd want to have some training when it comes to fighting a trained military.
    That's why guerrilla forces don't do that.
    It's a promise of failure.
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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    It's not like the 30 million are all going to be in one giant army. They would be divided among different factions. So it would be easier than you believe.
    Decentralized command structures and asymmetric warfare are the most difficult tactics for a conventional force to deal with. There would be nothing easy about clearing mountainous terrain or dense urban areas infested with insurgents.

    Our military isn't having a difficult time in either of those places.
    Tell that to all the dead and injured Marines and Soldiers.

    I don't know why people believe we are when Iraq has been defeated and become a boring place for our soldiers and in Afghanistan the vast majority of fighters come from Pakistan and we are already tightening the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. So really we are not having a difficult time
    Yea, never mind the fact that it's taken over seven years, cost us trillions of dollars, and injured or killed about 39,000 Americans.

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Is it possible? Well, almost anything is possible. Is there a realistic chance? No. It would require an uprising of such a large proportion as to be entirely unlikely any time in the foreseeable future.

    If you are just talking the military vs civilians, that is another question. Since any large uprising would by it's nature include a large portion of military people, it's an almost impossible scenario, but if you want to talk that scenario, then it's highly unlikely. The military has the equipment, the training, the leadership, the organization, the logistics that the rebel force simple would not.
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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Right, but most military people are proud American's who'd most likely not rebel against the government, instead they would automatically take the side of the government and if there were dissidents among the military it would be too small to actually make a difference before the military wipes all of them out. Even if the rebels were using sleeper cell tactics it would not work, instead sleeper cells would make things easier.
    Your understanding of the military is more consistent with GI Joe cartoons than anything. It's painfully obvious you haven't a clue...

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Decentralized command structures and asymmetric warfare are the most difficult tactics for a conventional force to deal with. There would be nothing easy about clearing mountainous terrain or dense urban areas infested with insurgents.
    Well you could just carpet bomb the whole mountain and feel the mountain with landmines.
    Tell that to all the dead and injured Marines and Soldiers.
    Still nowhere near enough to all the dead enemy combatants.

    Yea, never mind the fact that it's taken over seven years, cost us trillions of dollars, and injured or killed about 39,000 Americans.
    There has been 172 dead in Iraq and in Afghanistan there has been 1,015 killed.

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Decentralized command structures and asymmetric warfare are the most difficult tactics for a conventional force to deal with. There would be nothing easy about clearing mountainous terrain or dense urban areas infested with insurgents.



    Tell that to all the dead and injured Marines and Soldiers.



    Yea, never mind the fact that it's taken over seven years, cost us trillions of dollars, and injured or killed about 39,000 Americans.
    I believe most people think "tanks, fighter plans, etc; OMG no way that is possible."
    The truth of it is, those things are hindrances to fighting a conventional war with the U.S.
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