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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well it is representative of 2.5 in every 4 Americans.
    Only in your deluded mind are sixty-two percent of Americans a fat, retarded redneck.

    We can't win the war in Iraq because Arabs have been fighting each other and other people for the past 900 years. In a war between "Americans" and the U.S. military the U.S. military would win simply because 66 of this country is overweight.
    Wow. What a brilliant military analysis. Are you sure you're not a CIA field operative, or perhaps a retired general? Man, Hat, you really blew me away with that profound and reasoned commentary. Really, bravo.

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't know what is worse. That a historically ignorant Libertarian thinks that 30 million Americans rebelling is any kind of hypothetical possibility. Or that a historically ignorant Libertarian thinks it is unlikely that a country's military would turn against its people. To my knowledge the latter is not only a 'possibility' but historically proven to happen more often than the first. How many military dictatorships have there been South of the border alone? Mexico? Guatemala? Chile? Argentina? And those are all just off the top of my head. Now show me the last time "30 million Americans" went to war against their government? But as long as we can live fantasies where 66% of this grossly overweight country rises up and fights a war against the government and wins.
    Dude, are you going to cry or something? Seriously, get of my jockstrap. Your obsession with me is pathetic.
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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    In a time of war, the only person who matters is POTUS and his generals. If you think they are going to be accessible to the public for assassination, you're barking up the wrong tree. It doesn't matter if congress is shot or not. POTUS would just declare a state of emergency and use all the powers therein, including the military.

    I'm not saying that insurgency couldn't put up a resistance, but it would be fighting a losing battle, especially if the revolt is fueled by a relatively small percentage of the population... like 10%, as you mentioned. The government could easily use a media campaign to demonize those people, gain the support of the military, and the complacency of the rest of the population.

    Unless 50% of the U.S., from ALL partisan leanings, is willing to lay down its life to overthrow the government, there is no point.
    I agree with this, but I'm not sure if that would be a very likely scenario. The President can only effectuate command of the military and government if it supports his or her agenda. The problem with having a single command element is that it can be cut off relatively easily.

    I also think the military has become over-reliant on technology, and would be a relatively easily exploited weakness. [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mattis"]General James Mattis[/ame] has discussed this concept at length. From cdr salamander's blog:

    Though the detailed definition is still being refined, in essence Antitransformationalism encompasses the concept that there needs to be an active opposition to those very smart, but modestly ignorant/arrogant people who seem to have decided that they either do not need to study history or the hard-won lessons of those who have come before them – are they are just so much smarter than anyone else who has ever lived that they simply do not need the past.

    Founded on the bedrock assumption that there is nothing new under the sun – that most any problem you can encounter in the POLMIL world would be quickly understood by Alexander the Great, Napoleon, Frederick the Great, Nelson, Sun Tsu, and even the Great Khan. The technology and tools have improved, but the base of everything, the human condition, has changed little. Evolve into a more perfect professional. Don’t Transform into irrelevance.

    With that bedrock, you must embrace new technology and concepts, but use them in a manner consistent with established avenues to success and within the constraints of financial, physical, and political realities. Evolutionary progress (US Navy vs. Confederate Navy) in numbers will defeat revolutionary perfection (US tanks vs. German tanks in WWII) in smaller numbers. Victory in the future is reliant on a firm knowledge of the past (US rediscovering counter-insurgency – again).

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I actually am not so sure that is the most likely scenario. Guns simply are not that important to the vast majority of the population. For those who they are important to, they are very important, but it's not really that big an issue.
    I think you're sorely mistaken about this. The Second Amendment is extremely important to many Americans, just as the First Amendment is extremely important to many Americans. I guarantee you there would be an armed and persistent revolt if the Federal government went around confiscating weapons from gun owners, just as there would be an armed and persistent revolt if the government went around silencing dissidents.

    I think if I had to name the most likely scenario resulting in an armed revolution in the US, it would be in response to a president deciding to escalate his role into dictator.
    Which is what he would be if he ordered the confiscation of arms.

    They where not particularly abusive or abrasive in this case.

    Have you ever met any militia types? I live in Michigan(remember the Michigan militia?), and have met a few. The picture is not that inaccurate.

    I doubt highly that Media Matters even knows about this thread, or that they care, since it has nothing to do with their purpose.
    I'm not going to apologize or feel bad about my treatment of Hat or the Media Matters lackey. I'm not sure why it matters, though, as I have nothing bad to say about you.
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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I think you're sorely mistaken about this. The Second Amendment is extremely important to many Americans, just as the First Amendment is extremely important to many Americans. I guarantee you there would be an armed and persistent revolt if the Federal government went around confiscating weapons from gun owners, just as there would be an armed and persistent revolt if the government went around silencing dissidents.
    I did not try and suggest it was not an important issue to many. I just don't think it is an important enough issue with enough people.
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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    i reckon everyone who's participated in this thread is now
    Fine, the question was for an opinion and they were stated, and besides, most people here would pass the initial question, in that no one would advocate an overthrow unless absolutely necessary and all other options were eliminated.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I did not try and suggest it was not an important issue to many. I just don't think it is an important enough issue with enough people.
    I disagree.

    An estimated 34 percent of the citizens in the United States own firearms, and there are thought to be more than 200 million firearms in private hands.

    FACTBOX: Guns and gun ownership in the United States | Reuters
    Gun Owners of America (GOA) is a gun rights organization in the United States with over 300,000 members.

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I disagree.
    None of those disprove what I said. There is a difference between owning a gun, and being willing to revolt over being allowed to own guns.
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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    None of those disprove what I said. There is a difference between owning a gun, and being willing to revolt over being allowed to own guns.
    Here's my thing, I own guns, I have done nothing wrong with my guns, and have no future intention of doing anything wrong with my guns, so no one should be trying to take my guns by force and that would not be a good idea if it crossed someone's mind.
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