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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We have never given in to terrorism before, I don't see that changing. There is no evidence it would. Sorry, but we are not a country of cowards.
    Well, it depends on whether or not you consider an armed insurrection the same thing as terrorism. The military doesn't define all combatants in Iraq as terrorists, in fact, most of them receive the distinction of insurgents. Why would it be any different for a domestic revolt in the US?

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    As someone pointed out, the point of the 2A is less about overthrowing the government by sheer armed might, as it is about what it would cost the government to subdue an armed citizenry and deprive them of their liberty en-mass, and that the end result would be far more in doubt than if the citizenry were disarmed.

    An armed person is a a citizen. An unarmed person is a serf, subject to his master's whims. Push a citizen too far and he will push back... perhaps far more effectively than you'd think.

    I know some retired Rangers, Force Recon operators, and the like who would be a one-man hellfire-and-damnation force if they ever got sufficiently pissed off to take action. Now imagine pissing off tens of thousands of such men, and give them nine million armed citizens to train and lead...

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Well, it depends on whether or not you consider an armed insurrection the same thing as terrorism. The military doesn't define all combatants in Iraq as terrorists, in fact, most of them receive the distinction of insurgents. Why would it be any different for a domestic revolt in the US?
    The very methods you describe. Call it what you will, we are still not that cowardly. Every time some one in our government has been murdered, some one has stepped up.
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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    As someone pointed out, the point of the 2A is less about overthrowing the government by sheer armed might, as it is about what it would cost the government to subdue an armed citizenry and deprive them of their liberty en-mass, and that the end result would be far more in doubt than if the citizenry were disarmed.

    An armed person is a a citizen. An unarmed person is a serf, subject to his master's whims. Push a citizen too far and he will push back... perhaps far more effectively than you'd think.

    I know some retired Rangers, Force Recon operators, and the like who would be a one-man hellfire-and-damnation force if they ever got sufficiently pissed off to take action. Now imagine pissing off tens of thousands of such men, and give them nine million armed citizens to train and lead...
    Sorry Goshin, but bull****. I am unarmed, have no interest in being armed, and I am far from some "serf". I can push back, and I don't need to do it with a gun. Our whole system of government is designed so that citizens can push back with out having to resort to rebellion. Don't like what the government is doing, then vote em out of office.
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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    And that picture is totally representative of every American...
    Well it is representative of 2.5 in every 4 Americans.

    It's funny how you liberals like to talk about how invincible our military is while simultaneously telling us they can't win in Iraq or Afghanistan. Make up your mind already.
    We can't win the war in Iraq because Arabs have been fighting each other and other people for the past 900 years. In a war between "Americans" and the U.S. military the U.S. military would win simply because 66 of this country is overweight.
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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Sorry Goshin, but bull****. I am unarmed, have no interest in being armed, and I am far from some "serf". I can push back, and I don't need to do it with a gun. Our whole system of government is designed so that citizens can push back with out having to resort to rebellion. Don't like what the government is doing, then vote em out of office.
    Of course, and this works as long as we have free and honest elections. Obviously armed revolt would be the last available option.
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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    I don't know what is worse. That a historically ignorant Libertarian thinks that 30 million Americans rebelling is any kind of hypothetical possibility. Or that a historically ignorant Libertarian thinks it is unlikely that a country's military would turn against its people. To my knowledge the latter is not only a 'possibility' but historically proven to happen more often than the first. How many military dictatorships have there been South of the border alone? Mexico? Guatemala? Chile? Argentina? And those are all just off the top of my head. Now show me the last time "30 million Americans" went to war against their government? But as long as we can live fantasies where 66% of this grossly overweight country rises up and fights a war against the government and wins.
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    Re: Is it possible to overthrow the US government

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Sorry Goshin, but bull****. I am unarmed, have no interest in being armed, and I am far from some "serf". I can push back, and I don't need to do it with a gun. Our whole system of government is designed so that citizens can push back with out having to resort to rebellion. Don't like what the government is doing, then vote em out of office.

    You misunderstand me. I am not advocating armed rebellion or gleefully anticipating it; at this point in time I see no need for it. Our system actually works fairly well for the most part, up to this point. I do not desire to see it overthrown.

    If it ever occurred, it would be a last-ditch desperate effort that would take place because the system broke down... because voting out the scoundrels was no longer a practical option.

    My observation about citizens and serfs was not intended to be taken personally... but I firmly believe that governments tend to tread more carefully when a great many of their citizens are armed and capable of effective rebellion. I believe, along with the Founders, that an armed citizenry, by its very existence, acts as a constraint against tyranny.

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