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    Re: Have you ever received government assistance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So we are now going to hold sons responsible for the sins of the father? Hmmm?
    Gee, I thought this was off-topic.

    This discussion does stray from the poll, but it's still interesting. Many people have been beneficiaries of government help as children, even if it was technically their parents getting it. And that's not a sin either.

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    Re: Have you ever received government assistance.

    When I was in law school and my wife was working, we were eligible for section 8 housing and took advantage of that. We also both received student loans from the government.

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    Re: Have you ever received government assistance.

    I am married and vowed never to seek government assitance in the form of welfare/food stamps. I ain't askin nobody for nothin if I can't get it on my own.

    When I was a kid growing up in Michigan (libland) my parents divorced and my mother obtained custody of myself and my siblings. This was in the 60's. My mother and her hippie friends lived on welfare and mooched off the hard working tax payers of this nation while they partied, smoked pot, drank, ignored there children, and acted irresponsible. Mom had a VW microbus decked out in psychedelic paint, flowers, and peace signs. She and her filthy hippie friends would load up in the bus and go to woodstock or the Washington mall to protest the war in Vietnam. Leaving us kids with whoever. She would take in stray hippies and let them live with us living off of our welfare. She would have huge house parties with LSD, grass, free sex etc. while us kids looked on. My mom and her friend smoked weed with me when I was 13. When I was 15 one of my mothers friends who was thirty something seduced me. Needless to say I had zero dicipline and started to fail in school and get in trouble with the law. So I rebelled by enlisting in the Army and getting my **** together. I never looked back.

    But I made a promise to myself, I would never suck off the government teet of welfare like my looser mother did. BTW she finally got it together, turned off, tuned out, and dropped in to the real world. She went to school and got her nursing degree and bought a home in the country. Once she straightened out her life out she appoligized to me for being such a bad mother and ruining my childhood. I accepted her appology but the dammage was done. My once beautiful sister has spent her life trying to follow moms example, she became a welfare mother and never worked a day in her life. She had her children taken from her by the state and has been in a mental institution for 3 years now. My brother is homeless living on the streets, he also lives off the tax payers. He is a drug addict and alcoholic who refuses to get a job.

    I tried my best to help them, but they refuse to pull themselfs up by thier bootstraps and help themselfs. I blame my mother for there situation, and I blame the government for making it all possible.
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    Re: Have you ever received government assistance.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I am married and vowed never to seek government assitance in the form of welfare/food stamps. I ain't askin nobody for nothin if I can't get it on my own.

    When I was a kid growing up in Michigan (libland) my parents divorced and my mother obtained custody of myself and my siblings. This was in the 60's. My mother and her hippie friends lived on welfare and mooched off the hard working tax payers of this nation while they partied, smoked pot, drank, ignored there children, and acted irresponsible. Mom had a VW microbus decked out in psychedelic paint, flowers, and peace signs. She and her filthy hippie friends would load up in the bus and go to woodstock or the Washington plaza to protest the war in Vietnam. Leaving us kids with whoever. She would take in stray hippies and let them live with us living off of our welfare. She would have huge house parties with LSD, grass, free sex etc. while us kids looked on. My mom and her friend smoked weed with me when I was 13. When I was 15 one of my mothers friends who was thirty something seduced me. Needless to say I had zero dicipline and started to fail in school and get in trouble with the law. So I rebelled by enlisting in the Army and getting my **** together. I never looked back.

    But I made a promise to myself, I would never suck off the government teet of welfare like my looser mother did. BTW she finally got it together, turned off, tuned out, and dropped in to the real world. She went to school and got her nursing degree and bought a home in the country. Once she straightened out her life out she appoligized to me for being such a bad mother and ruining my childhood. I accepted her appology but the dammage was done. My once beautiful sister has spent her life trying to follow moms example, she became a welfare mother and never worked a day in her life. She had her children taken from her by the state and has been in a mental institution for 3 years now. My brother is homeless living on the streets, he also lives off the tax payers. He is a drug addict and alcoholic who refuses to get a job.

    I tried my best to help them, but they refuse to pull themselfs up by thier bootstraps and help themselfs. I blame my mother for there situation, and I blame the government for making it all possible.
    That's all very reassuring. Thank you for sharing that story.

    It's important to remember that we don't stop growing once we turn 18, or 21, or whatever.
    People continue to grow, mature, and evolve throughout life. Even moms and dads.
    I see some correlations between your childhood and mine- I spent the early part of my childhood in a commune-type situation as well- but all we can do is look around and see that there are young adults who grew up in every situation- from poverty in the ghetto to wealthy on the upper East Side to fundamentalist Christian in the heartland- who are screwing up badly and unable to function as adults.

    Perhaps in a way you can be grateful to your mom for some of the hardships you endured.
    Who knows what kind of adult you would've turned out to be if you'd had a perfectly ordinary childhood?
    Maybe you'd be less than you are.
    Maybe our experiences are what make us who we are.
    You'd be somebody different, if you'd had a different life... and "different" might not translate to "better".

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    Re: Have you ever received government assistance.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Gee, I thought this was off-topic.
    It is a direct responce to 1069, and is on topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    This discussion does stray from the poll, but it's still interesting.
    No it does not "stray from the poll" because it directly relates to the subject matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Many people have been beneficiaries of government help as children, even if it was technically their parents getting it. And that's not a sin either.
    This has literally nothing at all to do with what I said.
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    Re: Have you ever received government assistance.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    That's all very reassuring. Thank you for sharing that story.

    It's important to remember that we don't stop growing once we turn 18, or 21, or whatever.
    People continue to grow, mature, and evolve throughout life. Even moms and dads.
    I see some correlations between your childhood and mine- I spent the early part of my childhood in a commune-type situation as well- but all we can do is look around and see that there are young adults who grew up in every situation- from poverty in the ghetto to wealthy on the upper East Side to fundamentalist Christian in the heartland- who are screwing up badly and unable to function as adults.

    Perhaps in a way you can be grateful to your mom for some of the hardships you endured.
    Who knows what kind of adult you would've turned out to be if you'd had a perfectly ordinary childhood?
    Maybe you'd be less than you are.
    Maybe our experiences are what make us who we are.
    You'd be somebody different, if you'd had a different life... and "different" might not translate to "better".
    I have often thought about what would have been but reality for my siblings is hell. I was smart enough to see where I was heading. Unfortunatley my younger brother and sister where so messed up on drugs that they couldn't see what was happening to them. They were children and they didn't know any better. Its the same in the ghettos of America. Generation after generation living off the government. Irresponsible fathers who do not take care of thier babies or thier babies momma with to much time on thier hands. Kids with welfare mothers growing up without hope for a better future falling into the same government trap thier parents fell into. Why should you do anything to improve your situation, Uncle Sams gonna take care of you. So you end up sucking the government teet for life, in trouble with gangs and drugs angry at the world.
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    Re: Have you ever received government assistance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It is a direct responce to 1069, and is on topic.
    So was my comment that you said was off-topic. It was the same (new) topic.

    But this is enough off-topic talk about what's off-topic.

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    Re: Have you ever received government assistance.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I have often thought about what would have been but reality for my siblings is hell. I was smart enough to see where I was heading. Unfortunatley my younger brother and sister where so messed up on drugs that they couldn't see what was happening to them. They were children and they didn't know any better. Its the same in the ghettos of America. Generation after generation living off the government. Irresponsible fathers who do not take care of thier babies or thier babies momma with to much time on thier hands. Kids with welfare mothers growing up without hope for a better future falling into the same government trap thier parents fell into. Why should you do anything to improve your situation, Uncle Sams gonna take care of you. So you end up sucking the government teet for life, in trouble with gangs and drugs angry at the world.
    With your experience, do you see a difference between temporary and permanent help? There's a huge difference between living on welfare for life and getting temporary unemployment until you get a new job, or whatever, don't you think?

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    Re: Have you ever received government assistance.

    I have often thought about what would have been but reality for my siblings is hell.
    And for your mom, I'm sure.
    Regardless of the fact that she cleaned up her life, how do you think she functions each day with her grandchildren in state custody, a daughter in a mental hospital, and a son drug addicted and on the streets?
    The pity is that she lived long enough to see this day.
    Thank God she's got you. It must be her one comfort.

    On the other hand, plenty of people end up drug-addicted, homeless, and mentally ill who didn't have screwed up childhoods, so you never know.
    I'm sure it doesn't help any, having a screwed up childhood, if you already had the propensity to be that way, and only required a trigger.

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    Re: Have you ever received government assistance.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    And for your mom, I'm sure.
    Regardless of the fact that she cleaned up her life, how do you think she functions each day with her grandchildren in state custody, a daughter in a mental hospital, and a son drug addicted and on the streets?
    The pity is that she lived long enough to see this day.
    Thank God she's got you. It must be her one comfort.

    On the other hand, plenty of people end up drug-addicted, homeless, and mentally ill who didn't have screwed up childhoods, so you never know.
    I'm sure it doesn't help any, having a screwed up childhood, if you already had the propensity to be that way, and only required a trigger.
    My mom didn't live to see what have become of my brother and sister. She died from a brain anurism in 94. When she passed my sister still lived with her. She was in her thirties and unprepaired for life without mom. She was battling drug abuse with one child and one on the way. My mother kicked my brother out in 92. He has been on the street ever since.
    Last edited by SgtRock; 03-14-10 at 03:37 PM.
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