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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You're surprised that people react negatively when you make completely ridiculous and offensive comments based on little more than your own innate biases?

    The fact that a particular group of people doesn't vote the way you would like them to is not a rationale for denying them the right to vote. If we allocated voting rights on such an arbitrary manner, you might find yourself on the short end of the stick.
    Where in the forum rules is flaming allowed so long as you think poorly of someone's point of view?

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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    You claimed that “single women should not be allowed to vote” because in effect they will vote their interests.

    But, of course, that is the foundation of democracy: people voting their interests.

    You just don't like the way single women see their interests. Hence you would seek to exclude them.

    You don't love true democracy because oftentimes the outcome is not in agreement with your perception of your interests.

    The only conclusion I have is that women are changing our society because, at last, just in this past century they have a direct hand in shaping it.

    Don't like it? Tough, meet you at the ballot box.
    I'm here to debate a topic. If you would rather fight please take it to the Basement. There are plenty of anti-Jerry threads there to choose from.

    If you would like to debate, then please notice how I gave my reasoning for opposition to be harm sustained by individuals and society. This suggests that I might be able to make an argument based on the "harm principal".

    IMO your attempts to label my argument as mere opinion demonstrates a fundamental lack of interest in the very nature of DebatePolitics existence.
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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    All those things only prevent voting discrimination based on race, sex, age etc.

    There is no Federal right to vote, it does not exist.
    Did you miss this?

    "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex." - 19th Amendment

    That is just one.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Did you miss this?

    "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex." - 19th Amendment

    That is just one.
    Note it does not say "marital status"

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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Did you miss this?

    "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex." - 19th Amendment

    That is just one.
    Yes, it explicitly says that you can not be denied based on sex.
    I doesn't say anywhere that you can not be denied.

    Jessie Jackson Jr. seems to be confused then, he has proposed an amendment for this very thing.

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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    All those things only prevent voting discrimination based on race, sex, age etc.

    There is no Federal right to vote, it does not exist.
    Read the bolded part from the 14th Amendment again:

    But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such
    Without a right to vote, states get no representation. Once they give out the right to vote, they cannot discriminate on various bases. It's not a direct federal right in that the Constitution says "there is a federal right to vote," but its drafted in such a way that it's essentially automatic.
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    Re: Is voting a right

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    Did you just fire me?
    Impossible, since I would never hire you.

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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes, it explicitly says that you can not be denied based on sex.
    I doesn't say anywhere that you can not be denied.

    Jessie Jackson Jr. seems to be confused then, he has proposed an amendment for this very thing.

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    And he is an idiot, so what?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Read the bolded part from the 14th Amendment again:



    Without a right to vote, states get no representation. Once they give out the right to vote, they cannot discriminate on various bases. It's not a direct federal right in that the Constitution says "there is a federal right to vote," but its drafted in such a way that it's essentially automatic.
    I understand that but still doesn't exist.

    A state could, in theory, not want representation and deny voting privileges.
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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Where in the forum rules is flaming allowed so long as you think poorly of someone's point of view?
    I'm not saying that your asinine comments justify those actions, but I'm saying that you shouldn't act all surprised when people act like that in response to such ridiculous claims.

    You have judged an entire class of people simply because you don't like the way they vote. I'm perplexed as to what you think makes you more worthy of voting than people like rivrrrat/thegirlnextdoor, etc. Your attempts to couch it in "oh, but they cost more money" are similarly embarrassing - I'm sure there are plenty of single women who pay much more to the state's coffers than you or I.
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