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Thread: Is voting a right

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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    We deny voting based on age.

    Originally it was only given to white land owning men.

    So in that regard there is nothing in the constitution that provides a clear statement to this.
    I believe that the 10th Amendment will point you toward where the answer lies.
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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I've seen various people on this site claim that people on governmental aid shouldn't be allowed to vote. Now my thought is that voting is a fundamental right, as we live in a democratic republic. Voting is what makes this a democratic form of government (can we please not quibble over semantics), as opposed to some sort of oligarchy, and as thus shouldn't be taken away without due process. What are your thoughts?
    It depends.
    There is no right to vote for President, as your state grants you the prvilege to help determine the disposition of its electors. It need not do so.

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    Re: Is voting a right

    It's a right.

    But not everyone is privileged to have said right.

    As with all rights, certain actions result in removal of such.
    Education.

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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is not at all what I said, your putting words into my mouth.
    Wanting people to vote ethically is not the same thing as gaming to put my agenda through.
    The thing about ethics is, everyone has a different idea about what exactly counts as ethics. My ethical beliefs revolve heavily around the concept of not doing harm to others without their consent, while a devout Christian's would be radically different. The most fair way to decide which ethics should be used in running a country is to put issues to a vote, majority rule, while having certain safeguards for minority beliefs.

    In fact I'm trying to stop all the people now, who game the system to get their agenda through but not necessarily get my beliefs through, except the ethics portion.
    Apparently voting is now gaming the system. I'll keep that in mind.

    How is it classy that people game the system now?
    Is it that you'd rather have the devil you know?
    It's not gaming the system. In our current system everyone that is over 18 who hasn't had rights removed by a court can vote. Everyone. That allows the most citizen involvement in the system- EVERYONE vs. a select few. That is the opposite of gaming the system unless you don't believe in democracy as a legitimate governing tool.



    Home grown wheat does compete with wheat in commerce but if that home grown wheat is not traded between states, the federal government has no say.

    Is it right to stop someone from growing wheat at home for them self?
    Is it right to limit a persons choices over their body?

    You know the answers to these questions already.
    You're missing the point. The point is that you disagree with those court cases, so therefore you likely believe them illegitimate and not what the constitution actually means. Yet on this issue you trumpet the Court's decision. Apparently you give heed to the Supreme Court when it's convenient for you.
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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Voting is a right, but it's a right restricted to US citizens. There's nothing wrong with excluding certain people from that definition; foreign nationals or felons, for instance. I think we should narrow the criteria of US citizenship so that people who depend on societal largess shouldn't be allowed to further extort society.
    Or you could get your elected representatives to repeal these programs. Give democracy a try, I've heard the founding fathers put in a good word or two about it.

    [/quote]They're being given benefits that other citizens are not entitled to, which means they should have to surrender their voting rights until they repay their debt to society. It's like they have all the same rights as everyone else plus one. That's not fair, and it isn't economically sensible to let people vote themselves into the Treasury. There's a reason why we're going bankrupt...[/QUOTE]

    There is absolutely nothing stopping you from filing for unemployment if you don't have a job, or welfare if your income isn't making do, or social security if you reach that age, or anything else for that matter. You could choose to get on these programs if your situations allow, you choose not to. And remember, most people on these programs were paying into them at some point.
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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