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    Re: Is voting a right

    I would argue that as voting is a right, and one has to fulfill the criteria to qualify for a right, that committing a felony disqualifies one from that right.

    "If you aren't willing to follow the law, you can't claim the right to make the law for everyone else." Obviously We The People don't take that as an absolute rule, much like the exception of childless couples to marry even though the purpose of marriage is to have a family. We allow reasonable exceptions to the rule, such as committing misdemeanors. Also, I would argue that only fraud or violent felonies should warrant the removal of the right to vote.
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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't think it should be a right.

    For me to change my mind, everyone would have to vote ethically.
    So it's not about what is ethically or philosophically right here, it's about trying to game the system to get your agenda though, since so few Americans support it. Classy.

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    Here you guys go.

    “if the courts can consider any question settled, it is this one. … The Constitution, when it conferred citizenship, did not necessarily confer the right of suffrage”

    Minor v. Happersett: Information from Answers.com

    It says later (1964) that this interpretation was abandoned but as it is, there is no absolute right to vote.
    Now if in another thread, let's say I bring up Roe v. Wade, or that case on the commerce clause where the courts ruled that home grown wheat competes with wheat in commerce, Wickard v. Filburn, you would argue that those cases were wrongly decided and thus shouldn't settle the argument. Am I right?
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    Re: Is voting a right

    I think net tax-consumers shouldn't be allowed to vote. No one has the "right" vote themselves into other people's wallets.

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    Re: Is voting a right

    It is a socially-granted right, but like all rights it can be taken away under particular circumstances. Minors, as already mentioned, do not have the right to vote, although I'm not sure about emancipated minors. Felons lose their right to vote as a consequence of their illegal actions. I'm sure there are other examples as well.
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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I think net tax-consumers shouldn't be allowed to vote. No one has the "right" vote themselves into other people's wallets.
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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    So it's not about what is ethically or philosophically right here, it's about trying to game the system to get your agenda though, since so few Americans support it. Classy.
    That is not at all what I said, your putting words into my mouth.
    Wanting people to vote ethically is not the same thing as gaming to put my agenda through.

    In fact I'm trying to stop all the people now, who game the system to get their agenda through but not necessarily get my beliefs through, except the ethics portion.

    How is it classy that people game the system now?
    Is it that you'd rather have the devil you know?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Now if in another thread, let's say I bring up Roe v. Wade, or that case on the commerce clause where the courts ruled that home grown wheat competes with wheat in commerce, Wickard v. Filburn, you would argue that those cases were wrongly decided and thus shouldn't settle the argument. Am I right?
    Home grown wheat does compete with wheat in commerce but if that home grown wheat is not traded between states, the federal government has no say.

    Is it right to stop someone from growing wheat at home for them self?
    Is it right to limit a persons choices over their body?

    You know the answers to these questions already.
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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is not at all what I said, your putting words into my mouth.
    Wanting people to vote ethically is not the same thing as gaming to put my agenda through.

    In fact I'm trying to stop all the people now, who game the system to get their agenda through but not necessarily get my beliefs through, except the ethics portion.

    How is it classy that people game the system now?
    Is it that you'd rather have the devil you know?



    Home grown wheat does compete with wheat in commerce but if that home grown wheat is not traded between states, the federal government has no say.

    Is it right to stop someone from growing wheat at home for them self?
    Is it right to limit a persons choices over their body?

    You know the answers to these questions already.
    Voting for candidates who support the policies you approve of and who support your agenda is not "gaming the system", it is the system.
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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Voting for candidates who support the policies you approve of and who support your agenda is not "gaming the system", it is the system.
    Hobo suggested I wanted to "game the system" with requiring ethical voting.
    Then he attached his moral outrage at me wanting to "game the system."

    People should be voting for what is right and not what they want.
    A lot of times these things diverge.
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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Hobo suggested I wanted to "game the system" with requiring ethical voting.
    Then he attached his moral outrage at me wanting to "game the system."

    People should be voting for what is right and not what they want.
    A lot of times these things diverge.
    People should vote for the candidate they feel best represents them. People should vote on issues based on whether they support that issue. Just because you don't like the issues or the candidates is not a good reason to tell people they cannot vote.

    Elitism sucks.
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    Re: Is voting a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    People should vote for the candidate they feel best represents them. People should vote on issues based on whether they support that issue. Just because you don't like the issues or the candidates is not a good reason to tell people they cannot vote.

    Elitism sucks.
    It is not elitism.
    To suggest it, shows your lack of understanding of the point of ethics.

    It is right and wrong, not "I want because I like it."

    If your support of an issue is not based in fact, what is your support worth?
    Why do we even debate issues if it's just because "I support it?"
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