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    Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    In another thread(Human shields), a poster has argued that whenever you kill a person, no matter the situation, the result, or the person's deeds, it is always a bad thing.

    Is it so?

    Just to clarify, the question is not if killing a human can be a good thing, but if it is always a bad thing.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Buddhists don't count****




    Sorry Wind.



    just kidding
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    In another thread(Human shields), a poster has argued that whenever you kill a person, no matter the situation, the result, or the person's deeds, it is always a bad thing.

    Is it so?

    Just to clarify, the question is not if killing a human can be a good thing, but if it is always a bad thing.
    Karmically, it's usually a bad thing. It depends on the motivation. If someone kills a human who is about to kill others and does so out of a motivation of compassion for all then the killing is less harmful to the altruistic killer.

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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Buddhists don't count****




    Sorry Wind.



    just kidding
    I'm just too fast, I already posted, LOL. Can't resist the topic.

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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    Karmically, it's usually a bad thing. It depends on the motivation. If someone kills a human who is about to kill others and does so out of a motivation of compassion for all then the killing is less harmful to the altruistic killer.
    But is there no situation when the person killing the other person is suffering from zero karma's harm?
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    In a moral or legal context?

    Fundamentally as all humans have the right to life, it is always bad to take the life of another human. That doesn't necessarily mean you aren't justified in doing so (i.e. that it will always come with jail time). But the act in and of itself is always a bad thing. You've taken something which can't be given back and infringed upon the most basic of all human rights.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Absolutely not. Even if I consult my religion it says you shall not murder.

    Murder is always killing, killing is not always murder.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    In another thread(Human shields), a poster has argued that whenever you kill a person, no matter the situation, the result, or the person's deeds, it is always a bad thing.

    Is it so?

    Just to clarify, the question is not if killing a human can be a good thing, but if it is always a bad thing.
    Killing a human is not always a bad thing and is sometimes justified. If you do not have sympathy for scum then executing scum on death row is a good thing. If a burglar breaks into your home then killing that burglar is not a bad thing. If you stop a serial killer or mass murderer then killing is a good thing. If you stop a someone from raping someone else then killing is not a bad thing. And I am sure there are plenty of other examples where killing another human is not a bad thing. Heck I suppose that If you are an abortionist then in the mind of abortionist killing unborn children in the womb is a good thing.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Absolutely not. Even if I consult my religion it says you shall not murder.

    Murder is always killing, killing is not always murder.
    Your god has said a lot of things. My observation is that humans have twisted the meanings to fit their individual likings. At heart, Jesus wasn't about fighting back and killing people, but rather for trying to accept and understand other humans and their feeling and their desires. Learning to live along with each other, not destroy each other. Judge not less ye be judged.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    But is there no situation when the person killing the other person is suffering from zero karma's harm?

    No. There are always consequences. A great bodhisattva may have pure motivation for killing but still have to suffer the hell realms for killing a human being.

    A great bodhisattva wouldn't experience the hell realms in the same way an ordinary being would. That kind of compassion and altruistic motivation has positive karma connected with it too.

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