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Is killing a human always a bad thing?

Is killing a human always a bad thing?

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No, it's not always bad. I can think of many reasons it wouldn't be bad, such as:

Abortion
Euthanasia
Self-defense
Putting to death someone who committed atrocities
 
People die every day. Everyone dies eventually, and some people just need killing. Sometimes people have disputes that just can't be settled otherwise.

And then there is killing in warfare, which is sometimes necessary.

There are a lot of times when killing a human is a good thing. Other times, it's merely necessary.
 
No, it's not always a bad thing. It's always regrettable to take a human life, but in some cases it's the better option.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
People die every day. Everyone dies eventually, and some people just need killing. Sometimes people have disputes that just can't be settled otherwise.

And then there is killing in warfare, which is sometimes necessary.

There are a lot of times when killing a human is a good thing. Other times, it's merely necessary.
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Your directness is refreshing. You would make a fine philosopher king...
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
People die every day. Everyone dies eventually, and some people just need killing. Sometimes people have disputes that just can't be settled otherwise.

And then there is killing in warfare, which is sometimes necessary.

There are a lot of times when killing a human is a good thing. Other times, it's merely necessary.
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a ggod thing for who? you, society, the family of the person killed?

we never can know all the ramifications when a life is taken.
 
Of course not. There are many examples that I can think of where killing is not only bad, it's a demonstrably good thing. Killing in war, in self-defense or in the defense of others, etc.
 
jamesrage said:
A fetus is a human being.Is that baby somehow another species just because it is in the womb?
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it is a fetus not a baby. it is a baby when it is born not one second before. it is a symbiotic life form attached to the woman.

you might want to check the definitions of these words.
 
Blackdog said:
That is just over the top and uncalled for.
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It's true. Those claiming "pro-life" tend to be the most militaristic of all folk. And also very very pro-death penalty. Wanting to use it a lot, that's the average. Many "pro-lifers" are anything but. Other pro-life people like me try to extend that attitude in total.
 
Blackdog said:
That is what happens when you have no charges to bring.



Well considering we are the only super power, most would disagree. ;)
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no. that is what happens when the Bush administration would not sign on to the international courts.

super my ass. a failing economy with 10% of your people out of work. a military that can't even end a war in Iraq. a military that can't find Bin Laden. People that are foreclosing on their homes hourly. in debt up to your asses to China. some super power that is very laughable.

between China and the Federal Reserve bank the country is owned. suppose they called in the debts. What then would the super power be?
 
katiegrrl0 said:
abortion is not killing. it is the removal of an unwanted fetus.
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Abortion is killing, you've taken human life. This is the exact same thing some on the other side try to do with war. Try to make believe that what you're doing isn't killing another human so you don't have to feel bad about it. But it is killing and you should feel bad about it.
 
rivrrat said:
No, it's not always bad. I can think of many reasons it wouldn't be bad, such as:

Abortion
Euthanasia
Self-defense
Putting to death someone who committed atrocities
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Those are (for the most part) justified killing by legal means. The act of killing another human is still bad. Even if you have to defend yourself, and maybe you do, it's still a bad act to take the life of another.
 
Ikari said:
Abortion is killing, you've taken human life. This is the exact same thing some on the other side try to do with war. Try to make believe that what you're doing isn't killing another human so you don't have to feel bad about it. But it is killing and you should feel bad about it.
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abortion is what it is aborting a fetus. it is no more than an unwanted cancer that is life as well. try to delude yourself into thinking that, that fetus is a life. maybe you can take one to the theater and fed it popcorn. you can't it has no person-hood. people would rather save the fetus and kill them i a war. is that what the pro life movement is about save the fetus and kill it in a military action. they save a fetus to protect the war efforts. they can pat themselves on the back but stand pro death in reality. a fetus is not a person. it has that potential.
 
Apocalypse said:
In another thread(Human shields), a poster has argued that whenever you kill a person, no matter the situation, the result, or the person's deeds, it is always a bad thing.

Is it so?

Just to clarify, the question is not if killing a human can be a good thing, but if it is always a bad thing.
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Sometimes it is not only justified but necessary.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
abortion is what it is aborting a fetus. it is no more than an unwanted cancer that is life as well. try to delude yourself into thinking that, that fetus is a life. maybe you can take one to the theater and fed it popcorn. you can't it has no person-hood. people would rather save the fetus and kill them i a war. is that what the pro life movement is about save the fetus and kill it in a military action. they save a fetus to protect the war efforts. they can pat themselves on the back but stand pro death in reality. a fetus is not a person. it has that potential.
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Fetus is a human. You're doing the same thing Blackdog does with war. You're trying to dehumanize your victim so that you don't feel bad about killing. But you should understand your actions and consequences and accept them in full. If you're woman enough to make a choice, you should be woman enough to abide by the consequences. Abortion decreases human life by 1, that's the facts.
 
Ikari said:
Those are (for the most part) justified killing by legal means. The act of killing another human is still bad. Even if you have to defend yourself, and maybe you do, it's still a bad act to take the life of another.
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And I disagree. I do not for a second hold the value that 'life is sacred'. It's not. Good and bad are subjective to the individual.
 
Laila said:
Sometimes it is not only justified but necessary.
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Aye, sometimes is is legally justified, and sometimes to continue your own existence it is necessary. But does that make killing good? I would still say the act is bad, that killing is inherently a bad act.
 
rivrrat said:
And I disagree. I do not for a second hold the value that 'life is sacred'. It's not. Good and bad are subjective to the individual.
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There is a lot of subjective dynamics which goes along with morals, but there are also underlying universal ones. Right to Life is one of them. Thus that makes killing humans innately bad as you take something which cannot be remedied ever again and which infringes upon the most basic of all rights.
 
Ikari said:
Aye, sometimes is is legally justified, and sometimes to continue your own existence it is necessary. But does that make killing good? I would still say the act is bad, that killing is inherently a bad act.
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I would say death is natural and inevitable and the word 'bad' is a highly subjective term.

If a dictator or mass murderer gets killed, I see it as a good thing.
 
Laila said:
I would say death is natural and inevitable and the word 'bad' is a highly subjective term.
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Rather Raven Queen-ish right there. Death is natural, but when you end one's life via non-natural means perhaps we're then in a realm of unnatural death and acts which become bad.

Blackdog said:
If a dictator or mass murderer gets killed, I see it as a good thing.
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I see their removal from power as a good thing. If it comes at the cost of their life, it is unfortunate. Again, can be justifiable, and in the case of a mass murdering dictator you're going to be hard pressed to do so in an unjustifiable manner. But it's still unfortunate that a person is killed.
 
Ikari said:
There is a lot of subjective dynamics which goes along with morals, but there are also underlying universal ones. Right to Life is one of them. Thus that makes killing humans innately bad as you take something which cannot be remedied ever again and which infringes upon the most basic of all rights.
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And I disagree. Rights are social constructs, and there are no universal moral codes. I have no right to life outside of a society that grants and protects that right. My only 'right' to life outside of said society is based in my own ability to remain alive. No creature has any inherent 'right to life'.
 
Ikari said:
Those are (for the most part) justified killing by legal means. The act of killing another human is still bad. Even if you have to defend yourself, and maybe you do, it's still a bad act to take the life of another.
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No its not. The only time killing is a bad thing is when the person being killed is a innocent person.
 
Ikari said:
Rather Raven Queen-ish right there. Death is natural, but when you end one's life via non-natural means perhaps we're then in a realm of unnatural death and acts which become bad.
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Who?

Sometimes it is 'bad' but it is not always a bad thing. There are many situations where I would say it is good
 
Apocalypse said:
In another thread(Human shields), a poster has argued that whenever you kill a person, no matter the situation, the result, or the person's deeds, it is always a bad thing.

Is it so?

Just to clarify, the question is not if killing a human can be a good thing, but if it is always a bad thing.
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The fact that it can be a 'good thing' negates the argument that it is 'always a bad thing'.
 
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katiegrrl0 said:
no. that is what happens when the Bush administration would not sign on to the international courts.
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If we don't sign on, we are not bound. Makes perfect sense to me.

katiegrrl0 said:
super my ass. a failing economy with 10% of your people out of work. a military that can't even end a war in Iraq. a military that can't find Bin Laden. People that are foreclosing on their homes hourly. in debt up to your asses to China. some super power that is very laughable.
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We have our problems no doubt. Makes us no less the worlds only super power, period.

katiegrrl0 said:
between China and the Federal Reserve bank the country is owned. suppose they called in the debts. What then would the super power be?
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We would be just fine since the debt with China is not that big considering our GDP. As for the Federal Reserve, it would not really be in the interest of the FRB to do so.

Really, economics is not that hard. ;)
 
jamesrage said:
No its not. The only time killing is a bad thing is when the person being killed is a innocent person.
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Plenty of innocents in war zones. Or is it different somehow when they're killed by ordinance rather than small arms?
 
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