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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Those are (for the most part) justified killing by legal means. The act of killing another human is still bad. Even if you have to defend yourself, and maybe you do, it's still a bad act to take the life of another.
    No its not. The only time killing is a bad thing is when the person being killed is a innocent person.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Rather Raven Queen-ish right there. Death is natural, but when you end one's life via non-natural means perhaps we're then in a realm of unnatural death and acts which become bad.
    Who?

    Sometimes it is 'bad' but it is not always a bad thing. There are many situations where I would say it is good


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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    In another thread(Human shields), a poster has argued that whenever you kill a person, no matter the situation, the result, or the person's deeds, it is always a bad thing.

    Is it so?

    Just to clarify, the question is not if killing a human can be a good thing, but if it is always a bad thing.
    The fact that it can be a 'good thing' negates the argument that it is 'always a bad thing'.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    no. that is what happens when the Bush administration would not sign on to the international courts.
    If we don't sign on, we are not bound. Makes perfect sense to me.

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    super my ass. a failing economy with 10% of your people out of work. a military that can't even end a war in Iraq. a military that can't find Bin Laden. People that are foreclosing on their homes hourly. in debt up to your asses to China. some super power that is very laughable.
    We have our problems no doubt. Makes us no less the worlds only super power, period.

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    between China and the Federal Reserve bank the country is owned. suppose they called in the debts. What then would the super power be?
    We would be just fine since the debt with China is not that big considering our GDP. As for the Federal Reserve, it would not really be in the interest of the FRB to do so.

    Really, economics is not that hard.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No its not. The only time killing is a bad thing is when the person being killed is a innocent person.
    Plenty of innocents in war zones. Or is it different somehow when they're killed by ordinance rather than small arms?

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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Plenty of innocents in war zones. Or is it different somehow when they're killed by ordinance rather than small arms?
    I guess there are exceptions to every rule.Casualties are sometimes necessary(after all you do not want to endanger your own troops) but it does not change the fact it is still a bad thing to kill innocent civilians. Wars are not fought in open fields nor are weapons and munitions factories in open fields away from civilians.Civilian casualties should always be avoided as long as it does not increase the harm to your own troops.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Plenty of innocents in war zones. Or is it different somehow when they're killed by ordinance rather than small arms?
    No one seemed to mind all those 1600lb demolition bombs falling on German schools and neighborhoods.

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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    I'm tempted to throw out a one-liner like "Some people need killing" (true enough), and call it a day, but I suppose some more serious substance is called for.

    I do not believe killing is always a bad thing. The death of Saddam Hussein, for instance, provided "closure" for tens of thousands of families that had lost loved ones to his harsh and tyrannical rule, and forever ended the possibility that someone would try to free him and restore him to power. Good thing.

    If I see some chap shooting up a kindergarden playground, and I pull my pistol and shoot him dead, I find it hard to see that as anything other than good.

    I've never had to kill someone. I have, as a former LEO, been in several situations where I believed I was about to have to kill someone.... fortunately in all those cases they backed down before I pulled the trigger. I didn't have a problem with the idea of killing these persons, all of whom were threats to someone else. I don't think it would have bothered me very much, though I am okay with them deciding to surrender... I have no particular desire to kill if it isn't actually necessary.

    I think killing is a serious matter, and something that should only be done for the most serious of reasons; after all other efforts fail, or if things happen too fast to allow any chance for other efforts to be made.

    War is a slightly different situation. It is a soldiers' duty to carry out his lawful orders, and to kill when the situation calls for it. This is not murder, it is war.

    I am generally opposed to abortion, and support capital punishment. I do not see it as a contradiction: I am for the preservation of innocent life, and favor appropriate punishments for the guilty. Anyone who can't understand that distinction is being intentionally dense.

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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No one seemed to mind all those 1600lb demolition bombs falling on German schools and neighborhoods.
    Noone but the Germans. Seem to recall we did a number on the Japanese, too.

    It's war. I won't pretend to understand it on a personal level, but I've got a pretty good understanding of "us versus them" and I've always appreciated my good fortune to be on the side that gets to write the history books.

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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Fetus is a human. You're doing the same thing Blackdog does with war. You're trying to dehumanize your victim so that you don't feel bad about killing. But you should understand your actions and consequences and accept them in full. If you're woman enough to make a choice, you should be woman enough to abide by the consequences. Abortion decreases human life by 1, that's the facts.
    your trying to attach human reality to something that is not. you can delude yourself into believing what you want. the way you talk cancer because it is alive is human. you try and attack human to cells. stop and think that it is you that has it backwards and are trying to pass it off on everyone else. abortion aborts a fetus. war kills or better still murders a human that is experiencing life. you would rather kill the human feeling person than a clump of cells. that is really a sickness. you'd protect cells and like an animal kill that which has a life.
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